Planning third cycle

**etman** · 12-05-2009, 08:52 AM

I just finished my 2nd cycle about a 6 weeks ago
1st cycle was test c and eq
2nd cycle was test e 500 mg a week 1-12,1-4 dbol 30mg
pct nolva and clomid
stats
31
5"9
200 lbs
14 percent bf

I am planning for my next cycle and i need help deciding if I should add another compound like deca at 400 mg and test e 500 mg, or tren a and test p do you guys think I should wait to add one of these compounds? I am a little concerned about the sides associated with deca and tren.

**yungone501** · 12-05-2009, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by etman

I just finished my 2nd cycle about a 6 weeks ago
1st cycle was test c and eq
2nd cycle was test e 500 mg a week 1-12,1-4 dbol 30mg
pct nolva and clomid
stats
31
5"9
200 lbs
14 percent bf

I am planning for my next cycle and i need help deciding if I should add another compound like deca at 400 mg and test e 500 mg, or tren a and test p do you guys think I should wait to add one of these compounds? I am a little concerned about the sides associated with deca and tren.

I wouldn't advise using Tren for your 2nd cycle. If Deca doesn't sound appealing, consider the use of EQ maybe. Its much more mild from what I hear. If done both Tren and deca- don't like either...but opinions vary.

Also, you're a little on the high side of bf%. You might wanna consider shedding some bf before continuing with this next cyle.

Last but not least, when are you considering another cycle?

How was you recovery (PCT)?

**etman** · 12-05-2009, 09:32 AM

I was planning to start my next cycle in march. My pct went smooth on my last cycle I feel recovered. What don't you like about deca and tren ? I tried eq on my first cycle I didn't really notice a difference. About my bf I am trying to get it lower I am on t3/clen now I havent checked my bf in about 2 weeks so it's probably lower than that.

**Kibble** · 12-05-2009, 09:39 AM

14% bodyfat is not high at all. I wish that I was at 14%. Tren can be used to help shed bf anyway... right?

**yungone501** · 12-05-2009, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by etman

I was planning to start my next cycle in march. My pct went smooth on my last cycle I feel recovered. What don't you like about deca and tren? I tried eq on my first cycle I didn't really notice a difference. About my bf I am trying to get it lower I am on t3/clen now I havent checked my bf in about 2 weeks so it's probably lower than that.

March should be fine given you've made a full recovery. I would get blood test to confirm all is well just to be sure. Difference in BEING and FEELING recovered.

Deca makes for an extremely hard recovery and the most feared deca dick (chills). Tren gives rapid heart beat, night sweats, and overall horrible feeling.

What dosage did you run EQ? EQ is very mild like Ive said and brings on a very slow yet solid muscle gain. Some people look down at EQ because results arent as fast as most AAS. I say quality of quanity. Also, you might not have ran it long enough to see results.

With a higher (not high) bf %, I would not suggest the aid of t3/clen . Your asking for trouble IMO. You should have your bf% checked before continuing or post a high quality pic and it can be somewhat accurately judged by some vets.

**gunslinger2** · 12-05-2009, 10:29 AM

My second cycle is going to be Test E, EQ, Dbol , Proviron at 600/600/40/50. Something you may wanna try.

**etman** · 12-05-2009, 11:16 AM

I think I will give eq another try. on my first cycle I was only using 300 mg a week I'll give it a try at 600 mg a week I don't think I'm ready for deca or tren I just needed some reassurance Also with proviron do you take it throughout the cycle or begining or end ?

**yungone501** · 12-05-2009, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by etman

I think I will give eq another try. on my first cycle I was only using 300 mg a week I'll give it a try at 600 mg a week I don't think I'm ready for deca or tren I just needed some reassurance Also with proviron do you take it throughout the cycle or begining or end ?

I'd say anywhere between 4-600mg/wk no shorter then 10wks.

As for the Proviron , using it during cycle helps when there is a low sexdrive. Its bad for PCT because it's an AAS and lowers HPTA which can/will affect rebound. Not traditionally used unless on TRT/HRT.

**etman** · 12-05-2009, 11:40 AM

Ok so here it is
test e 500 mg 1-12
eq 500 mg 1-12
armidex .25 Ed 1-12 for bloat,gyno
pct 2 weeks after last inject
nolva and clomid

next question I have is can kickstart with some test p ??
or is dbol a better option

**hankdiesel** · 12-05-2009, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by yungone501

I wouldn't advise using Tren for your 2nd cycle. If Deca doesn't sound appealing, consider the use of EQ maybe. Its much more mild from what I hear. If done both Tren and deca- don't like either...but opinions vary.

Also, you're a little on the high side of bf%. You might wanna consider shedding some bf before continuing with this next cyle.

Last but not least, when are you considering another cycle?

How was you recovery (PCT)?

Wake up. He's planning his third cycle, not second. And he has already used eq.

To the op, your cycle looks good and I'd go with an oral kickstart opposed to the test p approach.

**gunslinger2** · 12-05-2009, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by etman

Ok so here it is
test e 500 mg 1-12
eq 500 mg 1-12
armidex .25 Ed 1-12 for bloat,gyno
pct 2 weeks after last inject
nolva and clomid

next question I have is can kickstart with some test p ??
or is dbol a better option

I'd use dbol at 40mg per day for 6 weeks as a kickstart.

Wake up. He's planning his third cycle, not second. And he has already used eq. To the op, your cycle looks good and I'd go with an oral kickstart opposed to the test p approach.

He only used EQ at 300mg per week for a few weeks. To get anything from it he should have run it at 500-600mg per week for at least 12 weeks. Thats like taking 10mg of dbol per day for a week and saying it does not work.

**yungone501** · 12-05-2009, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

Wake up. He's planning his third cycle, not second. And he has already used eq.

To the op, your cycle looks good and I'd go with an oral kickstart opposed to the test p approach.

Wow. This clomid has me trippin'!

Sorry about that.

**hankdiesel** · 12-05-2009, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by yungone501

Wow. This clomid has me trippin'!

Sorry about that.

Just busting your balls bro. It was even funnier because you quoted him and still seemed to not read what he said. I do agree that eq should be ran at a higher dose. I personally though would never run it again. Waste of $.

**gunslinger2** · 12-05-2009, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

Just busting your balls bro. It was even funnier because you quoted him and still seemed to not read what he said. I do agree that eq should be ran at a higher dose. I personally though would never run it again. Waste of $.

How much did you run and for how long?

**yungone501** · 12-05-2009, 12:03 PM

EQ was the first official AAS I ever took. I yielded some decent results I suppose. I remember it was in a bottle mixed with Test and all. Never seen anything like that in a while.

A+ for EQ.

**hankdiesel** · 12-05-2009, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by yungone501

EQ was the first official AAS I ever took. I yielded some decent results I suppose. I remember it was in a bottle mixed with Test and all. Never seen anything like that in a while.

A+ for EQ.

That is my point right there. You said you took it for your first cycle and "yieled some decent results I suppose." Most people take test for the first cycle and the results are dramatic. I took eq at 625mg a week for ten weeks. I don't buy into that theory of you must take eq for 12-16 weeks. The results come from test in a test/eq stack. Believe what you want.

**yungone501** · 12-05-2009, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

That is my point right there. You said you took it for your first cycle and "yieled some decent results I suppose." Most people take test for the first cycle and the results are dramatic. I took eq at 625mg a week for ten weeks. I don't buy into that theory of you must take eq for 12-16 weeks. The results come from test in a test/eq stack. Believe what you want.

undisputed.

**etman** · 12-05-2009, 12:12 PM

300 mg for 12 weeks
it is really expensive
any other options ?

**yungone501** · 12-05-2009, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by etman

300 mg for 12 weeks
it is really expensive
any other options ?

Higher on the dosage.

EQ is an economic drug. Pretty damn cheap.

I liked Tbol. Read up on it. It's cheap too.

**gunslinger2** · 12-05-2009, 12:24 PM

I'll be doing 600mg per week for 12 weeks. I'll let you know how It goes.

**etman** · 12-05-2009, 01:35 PM

Let me know gunslinger if it's worth the money ?

**yungone501** · 12-05-2009, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by etman

Let me know gunslinger if it's worth the money ?

pessimist.

**etman** · 12-05-2009, 02:09 PM

Let me know gunslinger if it's worth the money ?

**gunslinger2** · 12-07-2009, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by etman

Let me know gunslinger if it's worth the money ?

Will do. I'll be keeping a cycle log on here most likely.

**darkcrayz** · 12-07-2009, 11:26 AM

most guys dont complain about the sides from deca like they do tren . if you do run either you need bromo/caber for possible prolactin gyno issues.

the sides are rough for tren but most say the gains are worth it. you could run a low dose tren A 50mg daily. if you cant handle it hop off.

if you run eq needs to be 600mg/week minimum, from what i have read on here from marcus and others.