Few Questions - Tren Cycle

**BlackTalon** · 12-05-2009, 10:07 AM

bad sides: bad insomnia, bad headache, irratability
ok/good sides: increased appetite

haven't been to the gym yet to see if i'm any stronger.. not having a lot of sweating, or night sweats, so far (2 days in)

1cc Test Cyp every 6th Day
1/2-1cc Tren Ace? every other day

I know the Test dosage is a little low but I want to avoid gyno as I had a flareup at the end of my last cycle.

PCT
Nolvadex - 6 days after last Cyp injection. 40mg for a few days then 20
T-Bomb II - Bday Present. Will this interact with the nolvadex in a bad way? I'd like to incorporate it because it really helped bring my natural levels up and I know it works. let me know how you'd incorporate it please, its supposed to lower estrogen too so i'm curious about how it works with nolvadex. i'd also like to know if anyone has anything to say about bringing estrogen too low.. i've had good PCTs and bad ones.

Would you guys reccomend something like vitamin B6 to keep prolactin or progesterone levels lower? Im kind of clueless as to how Tren works but I know it doesnt cause estrogen related problems. So if I begin to get gyno and it's not from the test what chemical would I lower? prolactin or progesterone? I hear caber and bromo are the main thing used for Tren gyno but I dont think I have access to those so I'd like to go the preventative route whether it be lower dosages or vitamins/herbs..

I'm 24 and have been working out hard since 8th grade. I have never had the greatest diet though so I think all the hard training without eating much really stunted my growth.

5'10" 155lbs.

My first cycle was Deca /Dbol
Next was EQ
Then Test/Dbol

when I started I couldnt get past 140 for years, even eating steak and drinking shakes. I've been up to 165 but I lost a lot of my gains due to extremely stressful situations in my life.. Some really bad stuff happened for a consistent period of time and I spent a long time not eating very much and just drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes. Well anyways since i've started this cycle i've been eating every chance I get, lots of chicken and rice, beef, protein shakes, ***** 3s.. Im trying to do everything right so please cut me some slack about my weight. I already made some eggs this morning. I'm light but very muscular and strong for my weight and build. My max bench 185x5, deadlift 315x5, squat 275x1. my training schedule will be lots of compound lifts and 1 muscle group at a time. i've spent a long time just doing cardio (heavybag, jump rope) and circuit training.. its time to really focus all the energy into 1 area at a time and eat my ass off, put some solid mass on. then I can worry about getting shape again. this stuff is supposed to kill my cardio anyways

How many MGs equal 1 cc? I hear people talking about using 50mg of tren or 75mg.. i'd like to know how much i'm using. I filled it to 1/2 a cc the first injection 2 days ago, and today I did 3/4 a cc.

i apoligize for the thread being so unorganized.. if you have any questions or advice i'm all ears. im off to the gym now!!

**yungone501** · 12-05-2009, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by BlackTalon

bad sides: bad insomnia, bad headache, irratability
ok/good sides: increased appetite

haven't been to the gym yet to see if i'm any stronger.. not having a lot of sweating, or night sweats, so far (2 days in)

1cc Test Cyp every 6th Day
1/2-1cc Tren Ace? every other day

I know the Test dosage is a little low but I want to avoid gyno as I had a flareup at the end of my last cycle.

PCT
Nolvadex - 6 days after last Cyp injection. 40mg for a few days then 20
T-Bomb II - Bday Present. Will this interact with the nolvadex in a bad way? I'd like to incorporate it because it really helped bring my natural levels up and I know it works. let me know how you'd incorporate it please, its supposed to lower estrogen too so i'm curious about how it works with nolvadex. i'd also like to know if anyone has anything to say about bringing estrogen too low.. i've had good PCTs and bad ones.

Would you guys reccomend something like vitamin B6 to keep prolactin or progesterone levels lower? Im kind of clueless as to how Tren works but I know it doesnt cause estrogen related problems. So if I begin to get gyno and it's not from the test what chemical would I lower? prolactin or progesterone? I hear caber and bromo are the main thing used for Tren gyno but I dont think I have access to those so I'd like to go the preventative route whether it be lower dosages or vitamins/herbs..

I'm 24 and have been working out hard since 8th grade. I have never had the greatest diet though so I think all the hard training without eating much really stunted my growth.

5'10" 155lbs.

My first cycle was Deca /Dbol
Next was EQ
Then Test/Dbol

when I started I couldnt get past 140 for years, even eating steak and drinking shakes. I've been up to 165 but I lost a lot of my gains due to extremely stressful situations in my life.. Some really bad stuff happened for a consistent period of time and I spent a long time not eating very much and just drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes. Well anyways since i've started this cycle i've been eating every chance I get, lots of chicken and rice, beef, protein shakes, ***** 3s.. Im trying to do everything right so please cut me some slack about my weight. I already made some eggs this morning. I'm light but very muscular and strong for my weight and build. My max bench 185x5, deadlift 315x5, squat 275x1. my training schedule will be lots of compound lifts and 1 muscle group at a time. i've spent a long time just doing cardio (heavybag, jump rope) and circuit training.. its time to really focus all the energy into 1 area at a time and eat my ass off, put some solid mass on. then I can worry about getting shape again. this stuff is supposed to kill my cardio anyways

How many MGs equal 1 cc? I hear people talking about using 50mg of tren or 75mg.. i'd like to know how much i'm using. I filled it to 1/2 a cc the first injection 2 days ago, and today I did 3/4 a cc.

i apoligize for the thread being so unorganized.. if you have any questions or advice i'm all ears. im off to the gym now!!

Go to the diet section bro. Post up an axample of your daily diet including macros.

**inky-e** · 12-05-2009, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by BlackTalon

bad sides: bad insomnia, bad headache, irratability
ok/good sides: increased appetite

haven't been to the gym yet to see if i'm any stronger.. not having a lot of sweating, or night sweats, so far (2 days in)

1cc Test Cyp every 6th Day
1/2-1cc Tren Ace? every other day

I know the Test dosage is a little low but I want to avoid gyno as I had a flareup at the end of my last cycle.

PCT
Nolvadex - 6 days after last Cyp injection. 40mg for a few days then 20
T-Bomb II - Bday Present. Will this interact with the nolvadex in a bad way? I'd like to incorporate it because it really helped bring my natural levels up and I know it works. let me know how you'd incorporate it please, its supposed to lower estrogen too so i'm curious about how it works with nolvadex. i'd also like to know if anyone has anything to say about bringing estrogen too low.. i've had good PCTs and bad ones.

Would you guys reccomend something like vitamin B6 to keep prolactin or progesterone levels lower? Im kind of clueless as to how Tren works but I know it doesnt cause estrogen related problems. So if I begin to get gyno and it's not from the test what chemical would I lower? prolactin or progesterone? I hear caber and bromo are the main thing used for Tren gyno but I dont think I have access to those so I'd like to go the preventative route whether it be lower dosages or vitamins/herbs..

I'm 24 and have been working out hard since 8th grade. I have never had the greatest diet though so I think all the hard training without eating much really stunted my growth.

5'10" 155lbs.

My first cycle was Deca /Dbol
Next was EQ
Then Test/Dbol
when I started I couldnt get past 140 for years, even eating steak and drinking shakes. I've been up to 165 but I lost a lot of my gains due to extremely stressful situations in my life.. Some really bad stuff happened for a consistent period of time and I spent a long time not eating very much and just drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes. Well anyways since i've started this cycle i've been eating every chance I get, lots of chicken and rice, beef, protein shakes, ***** 3s.. Im trying to do everything right so please cut me some slack about my weight. I already made some eggs this morning. I'm light but very muscular and strong for my weight and build. My max bench 185x5, deadlift 315x5, squat 275x1. my training schedule will be lots of compound lifts and 1 muscle group at a time. i've spent a long time just doing cardio (heavybag, jump rope) and circuit training.. its time to really focus all the energy into 1 area at a time and eat my ass off, put some solid mass on. then I can worry about getting shape again. this stuff is supposed to kill my cardio anyways

How many MGs equal 1 cc? I hear people talking about using 50mg of tren or 75mg.. i'd like to know how much i'm using. I filled it to 1/2 a cc the first injection 2 days ago, and today I did 3/4 a cc.

i apoligize for the thread being so unorganized.. if you have any questions or advice i'm all ears. im off to the gym now!!

Thats pretty bad bro....who gave you the advice to do those compounds anyway??

**Kibble** · 12-05-2009, 12:45 PM

A lot of cycles to get you to 155lbs

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**BlackTalon** · 12-05-2009, 04:53 PM

I lost everything because of some hard times.

God damn this shit is strong!! No wonder I was so hungry the last few days. I didnt think it would be like that.. Ive been lethargic so I figured "I could probably do some heavier stuff but just get tireder afterwards" but I never got tired during the whole workout and I did every compound I could think of for the back including deadlifts. I stopped because I was worried. Ive never pushed my body that hard and not felt shit, not tired or anything. This is nothing like high dose of Test with dbol .. it scared me in the sense that i wasnt tired and i already had worked out hard enough that it made me think i'll have to eat constantly for probably a week to recover.

I noticed that test makes me feel good like an anti-depressant compared to tren which just makes me feel strong enough to crush any problem I may have. Now that my headache is gone i'm starting to like how it feels. And my body is changing fast and it's not just puffing up from water.

Does anybody know if taking arginine/ornithine will increase the GH that tren helps produce?

Are my dosages looking okay?

I can not believe how much stronger this shit made me. I could feel my blood pressure rise but I would take a weight I could do 1 rep with and pull 5 out of my ass and could probably get 10 if I wanted. Good shit. Besides the aggression I feel kind of jittery though. I feel like im on some kind of stimulant except im hungry and instead of clarity and wellbeing I just want to kill.

I'm finding people are interested in me and are nicer to me. whats weird about the extra strength is that I dont feel any strain in my tendons or bones or anything.. its like everything is getting stronger not just muscles. Usually I feel a twinge when I do rear delts but I went heavy today with no problems.

p.s. cut me some slack. i've really been through some bad shit that set me way back. i will put before and after pics and will definately make good progress in the coming weeks.

Basically it's easy to hate on tren when all you feel is sides but when you get in the gym man is it some good shit

**BlackTalon** · 12-05-2009, 04:56 PM

edit: before pic removed for now. i need to cover the face

**johnnyrv** · 12-05-2009, 05:21 PM

@ that kind of weight(155lbs) u don't need steroids especially TREN ".
you need too go to the diest section

**ranging1** · 12-05-2009, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by BlackTalon

bad sides: bad insomnia, bad headache, irratability
ok/good sides: increased appetite

haven't been to the gym yet to see if i'm any stronger.. not having a lot of sweating, or night sweats, so far (2 days in)

1cc Test Cyp every 6th Day
1/2-1cc Tren Ace? every other day

I know the Test dosage is a little low but I want to avoid gyno as I had a flareup at the end of my last cycle.

PCT
Nolvadex - 6 days after last Cyp injection. 40mg for a few days then 20
T-Bomb II - Bday Present. Will this interact with the nolvadex in a bad way? I'd like to incorporate it because it really helped bring my natural levels up and I know it works. let me know how you'd incorporate it please, its supposed to lower estrogen too so i'm curious about how it works with nolvadex. i'd also like to know if anyone has anything to say about bringing estrogen too low.. i've had good PCTs and bad ones.

Would you guys reccomend something like vitamin B6 to keep prolactin or progesterone levels lower? Im kind of clueless as to how Tren works but I know it doesnt cause estrogen related problems. So if I begin to get gyno and it's not from the test what chemical would I lower? prolactin or progesterone? I hear caber and bromo are the main thing used for Tren gyno but I dont think I have access to those so I'd like to go the preventative route whether it be lower dosages or vitamins/herbs..

I'm 24 and have been working out hard since 8th grade. I have never had the greatest diet though so I think all the hard training without eating much really stunted my growth.

5'10" 155lbs.

My first cycle was Deca /Dbol
Next was EQ
Then Test/Dbol

when I started I couldnt get past 140 for years, even eating steak and drinking shakes. I've been up to 165 but I lost a lot of my gains due to extremely stressful situations in my life.. Some really bad stuff happened for a consistent period of time and I spent a long time not eating very much and just drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes. Well anyways since i've started this cycle i've been eating every chance I get, lots of chicken and rice, beef, protein shakes, ***** 3s.. Im trying to do everything right so please cut me some slack about my weight. I already made some eggs this morning. I'm light but very muscular and strong for my weight and build. My max bench 185x5, deadlift 315x5, squat 275x1. my training schedule will be lots of compound lifts and 1 muscle group at a time. i've spent a long time just doing cardio (heavybag, jump rope) and circuit training.. its time to really focus all the energy into 1 area at a time and eat my ass off, put some solid mass on. then I can worry about getting shape again. this stuff is supposed to kill my cardio anyways

How many MGs equal 1 cc? I hear people talking about using 50mg of tren or 75mg.. i'd like to know how much i'm using. I filled it to 1/2 a cc the first injection 2 days ago, and today I did 3/4 a cc.

i apoligize for the thread being so unorganized.. if you have any questions or advice i'm all ears. im off to the gym now!!

no offence man but those lifts are SHOCKING, uve run 3 cycles and thats what ur strength looks like?

thats pretty bad, my little brother whos 16 and been gym for 6 months can max bench 170, and he skinny as shit

REALLY think u shouldnt be worrying about ur gear and cycles so much and instead focus on your diet

i mean really ive only done 1 cycle and max bench 330, squat 450, and deadlifts over 600

maybe thats an indicator u really need to figure out your diet

**Bossman** · 12-05-2009, 05:43 PM

I have to agree. Get your diet in check and make sure your training is were it should be as well. I didn't start AAS use until I maxed out naturally. You will not get the results you want if you dont have all facets of training and diet down. AAS use is just one piece of the puzzle. At 5'10", you should be close to a solid 200lbs before you start. I was 224lbs at 5'8" when began.

**ArmedHammerd** · 12-05-2009, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by ranging1

no offence man but those lifts are SHOCKING, uve run 3 cycles and thats what ur strength looks like?

thats pretty bad, my little brother whos 16 and been gym for 6 months can max bench 170, and he skinny as shit

REALLY think u shouldnt be worrying about ur gear and cycles so much and instead focus on your diet

i mean really ive only done 1 cycle and max bench 330, squat 450, and deadlifts over 600

maybe thats an indicator u really need to figure out your diet

LOL Very well said once again there is a serouis problem bro if ur losing ur gains after cycles Look into everything before you even f%^k around with another cycle