goin to run this, what you think

[jimmytraining]

week 1-6 d-bol 60mg ED
week 1-14 deca 600mg weekly
week 1-16 sus 750mg weekly
week 16-18 sus 250 mg weekly
week 16-22 d-bol 60mg ED
week 18-28 sus 1000mg weekly
week 18-28 tren 525mg weekly
week 29-37 sus 500mg weekly
week 29-39 winstrol 350mg weekly
starting week 30 clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
pct
nolva 40/40/40/40/20
clomid 100/100/100/100/50

[marcus300]

Why would you want to run that cycle?
what are you trying to achieve?
Stats?
Cycle experience?
How long have you been training for?

[ranging1]

holy shit, are ur a pro bodybuilder or sumthing?

if not then thats cycle is ridiculous

[jimmytraining]

i dont understand what wrong with this. test dec and danabol to get big, test and tren to shred abit after getting bit, test and winny and clen to help get some definition at the end of this cycle, realy s there anything wrong with it, what do you think of my pct

[marcus300]

Stats?
Cycle experience?
How long have you been training for?

[jimmytraining]

well beforew i give you them could you explain what is wrong with this cycle, i personally dont think anything, i have researched this compounds and i think it fits perfect, what makes you right and me wrong

[marcus300]

You want answers
Stats?
Cycle experience?
How long have you been training for?

[lovbyts]

His stats
im 22
14% body fat
12 stone
5foot 10
used a course of sus and dec but later found out sus was fake

You want to do a 40 week cycle?
You do know sus needs injected eod?

40 weeks???? Most cycles are 14, why are you running 3x longer.

You are to young anyways but obviously you will do what you and be prepared to start HRT soon since your balls probably will stop producing test for life especially after this cycle.

Big man, no mojo...

[kiwilifter]

These guys are here to help you bro, not shoot you down. They want the info from you to make sure you don't shrink your nuts forever and your long term health doesn't suffer too much!!

It's a very long cycle and your body will take a hammering throughout the entire period but I'll let the gurus help you with the details.

[marcus300]

Dont be stupid, the cycle is awfull, you shouldnt even be cycling at your age and stats.


AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[marcus300]

It gets worse,
in feb 09
he was 20yrs old weight:12st 3lb (77.6kg) (171 pounds)
height: 5'9
body fat: 32.7%
body fat mass: 25.3kg

[lovbyts]

It gets worse,
in feb 09
he was 20yrs old weight:12st 3lb (77.6kg) (171 pounds)
height: 5'9
body fat: 32.7%
body fat mass: 25.3kg

Holly!!!! I didnt see that one, I figured as much but must have missed it

OK with that information it is 99.9% fact he is 17 or 18, tops.

I dont think I have ever read anyone running a 40 week cycle. Im sure it's done but DAMN!!! very very foolish especially at this age.

Tren on a second cycle??? really his first due to fake sust.

Can you imagine his sides after a few weeks running this cycle.

List
Back acne like CRAZY
Face acne
Full body acne
Water retention/bloating
loss of libido 100%
balls like a new born
premature hair loss, bald by 21
Massive strength loss after cycle
body fat gain after cycle
depression after cycle

[jimmytraining]

balls like a new born

i like that

[lovbyts]

balls like a new born

i like that

That's probably because your have not dropped yet...

[Mooseman33]

i hate liars.

have fun recovering from that cycle..

[chuckt12345]

Troll

[Kibble]

Holy Clomid brother.
I think he is serious

[Kibble]

Hopefully he can't afford all of that madness until he is 35

[thebigfella]

please ignore this ****ing guy, its my dickhead flat mate, hes been on my comp while i have been out, hes no intention of running that cycle, hes just a tit. he ran one cycle a long time ago and the guy at the gym gave him olive oil in a old 10ml bottle of sus and charged him crazy prices, just ignore all this guys posts, when he comes back in im going to throw him a beatdown

[thebigfella]

hes looked at my planned out courses on the computer and put them all together thinking there going to make him big

week 1-6 d-bol 60mg ED
week 1-14 deca 600mg weekly
week 1-16 sus 750mg weekly
week 16-18 sus 250 mg weekly
week 16-22 d-bol 60mg ED
week 18-28 sus 1000mg weekly
week 18-28 tren 525mg weekly
week 29-37 sus 500mg weekly
week 29-39 winstrol 350mg weekly
starting week 30 clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off

should be
cycle 1
week 1-6 d-bol 60mg ED
week 1-14 deca 600mg weekly
week 1-16 sus 750mg weekly

cycle 2
week 1-6 d-bol 60mg ED
week 1-10 sus 1000mg weekly
week 1-10 tren 525mg weekly

cycle 3
week 1-8 sus 500mg weekly
week 1-10 winstrol 350mg weekly
clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off

[sigman roid]

Im lost for words....Troll.

[thebigfella]

whos a troll you ****in idiot

[Kibble]

lol. chill out bigfella. Dem dere Roid Rages aint allowed

[PistolStarta]

whos a troll you ****in idiot

lol just because you posted last doesnt mean its directed to you. sheesh.

[chuckt12345]

easy big fella

[sigman roid]

whos a troll you ****in idiot

For the record that wasnt directed at you....i could start arguing with you but im bigger than that.

Peace

[Mooseman33]

whos a troll you ****in idiot

im not bigger then that Siggy....i got this one, put ur feet up my friend..

OP-if u want to steal ur boyfriends computer info and pretend to be him, fine...but dont come on here and insult a well respected member for calling u out on ur troll like behavior...

to the real bigfella: leash ur bitch bro, he is getting out of hand...

[sigman roid]

Moose you kill me bro

much respect to you

[spywizard]

im not bigger then that Siggy....i got this one, put ur feet up my friend..

OP-if u want to steal ur boyfriends computer info and pretend to be him, fine...but dont come on here and insult a well respected member for calling u out on ur troll like behavior...

to the real bigfella: leash ur bitch bro, he is getting out of hand...

i have to quote this one it made me laugh..

[thebigfella]

sorry lad fort that was aimed at me, i was in the rong bro, just that ****in idiot had me fumin goin on me comp, hope wer good

to moose, the bitch got leashed big time when he came home last night infront of his big fat chick

peace
the real bigfella