Strange health issues after cycle! Visual distubance, etc. PLEASE HELP!

**JuicedCobra** · 12-09-2009, 05:05 AM

Cycle:
So I'm 26, 6'4" 225lbs. Did my first cycle 500mg Sust per week, then switched to 500mg Test E week 5 and ran it till week 11. I was on 250mg Tren A but only for the first two weeks and got some good advice here to get off of it. Started at 210lbs ended at 233lbs, back to ~225lbs.
PCT:
I ran 20mg ed Nolvadex and 50mg ed Clomid for 4 weeks starting two weeks after the last injection. I've been off the PCT drugs for about 5 weeks and a few days now. My sex drive and testicles have been back to normal for a while now. I still have some lingering acne on my back which makes me think hormones aren't totally normal yet.

Issues:
Toward the end of the cycle I was feeling quite anxious and excitable. I would get a really tight sensation within my chest and sometimes would have to catch my breath if I was getting too excited while talking to someone. I also started to get heart palpitations at night when relaxing to watch tv. I also was having trouble with my vision while in the gym.

Episode #1:
Over labor day weekend, during the last two weeks of my cycle I had an episode where I had too much to drink and the next morning was dehydrated or something and had some sort of hypoglycemic breakdown (I'm only guessing). I was also on claritin and sudafed at the time. First my face went numb, then my hands, then my arms, then my stomach, then my whole body and I was panicking big time and I was driving. I was in the middle of nowhere and went into a convenience store and they called the paramedics. By the time they got there I had been drinking gatorade and eating a breakfast burrito. They ran an ekg and said I was fine and said the juice had nothing to do with it either.

Went to the doc when I got home, ran another ekg, told him about the tight chest and vision and he said I'm fine. But if the palpitations don't go away he can refer me to the cardiologist.

During PCT most of these symptoms went away...

Episode #2:
I had just got over the swine flu. I was still on the medication "Tamaflu." Thanksgiving night I went out and had a few drinks, not an extreme amount and I ate plenty before obviously. I woke up the next morning dizzy as hell, felt almost cross eyed, off balance, nauseous, like I'd been drugged the night before. I tried walking with some friends to get breakfast but started shaking and all the street sounds started getting really loud and confusing and I had to sit down on the sidewalk. I got some gatorade and felt progressively better over the next 30 min to an hour. A friend of mine is convinced it's low blood sugar and it seems to help to drink something with sugar when I start to feel weird.

I haven't been intoxicated since.

However, I've been getting these panic attacks that come out of nowhere and I feel tightness in my chest and short of breath as well as sometimes feeling dizzy. Also independently of the panic/anxiety (whatever it may be) I'm having strange visual disturbances on and off ever since. Everyday I wake up hoping I'll just feel normal. The vision stuff is like when alot of cars are passing the motion confuses my eyes and it's hard to focus, and sometimes I'll have sensitivity to light and see something from the tv when I look away for a moment, almost like a camera flash. It's sort of confusing right now to try to look at the screen and type.

I went to the doc again last Thursday and he drew blood and took a urine sample. I told him I was on pro hormones to try to get him to test my hormone levels but he only wanted to test my thyroid, cholesterol, blood sugar, and some other things. And I don't have insurance so these clinic docs don't want to hear anything I have to say or answer any questions and they definitely don't know shit about juice. So the visits seem to accomplish nothing but make me feel hopeless. I have these terrible feelings being doomed or something.

Add to this my close friend and training partner had a small stroke from overdosing on liquid tamox (they think). He is fine now but it scares the shit out of me when I don't feel right and my vision is messing with me!

Anyone had similar experience?
Any ideas at all?
Stories to share?
If I have to pay out of pocket to get more bloodwork I will but what should I ask for??
Suggestions?
Are there any doctors out there that can help me?

Thanks in advance friends.

***El Diablo*** · 12-09-2009, 06:20 AM

I dont understand why u went drinking ALCOHOL on AAS???? I dont think that is whats causing the vision issue's but that would have definitly contributed to the feeling of Hypoglycemic breakdown. I cannot help you anyware else but please dont fvking mix EXESSIVE BING drinking while on AAS.
I think u are suffering from some sort of panic attack, but im not medically fit to give you advise on this. Personally i will dig deep into my pocket and make sure i am fine, go see proper Doc and get decent refferals... IMO.

**Bossman** · 12-09-2009, 07:28 AM

If you search there are stories of Clomid causing vision problems. A member on here a while back was having lingering vision issues after clomid use and the DR's could not seem to help him.

I would never use clomid......

**KimboHalfSlice** · 12-09-2009, 12:28 PM

Do you have any vertigo at all? (Vertigo is pretty much a disturbance in your balance, e.g. if you close your eyes and turn your head from side to side, will you eventually fall over?)

You wouldn't believe how many ways vertigo can affect you. It can affect your vision, especially when looking at moving objects, because the focusing of your eyes also depends on whether you think you're moving or not (because vertigo will give you a false sense of movement).

Also, it commonly causes panic attacks (but these go away over time as you begin to realise that you have nothing to be afraid of).

Also, it can cause fatigue because an extraordinary amount of energy is required to keep you balanced, and it doesn't help when one of your balance systems is giving dodgy readings.

Vertigo is rarely ever diagnosed or recognised by a normal doctor. I had it for maybe a year or two before I eventually decided to go see a specialist on my own, and it only took him 20 minutes of investigating to figure out what was wrong.

**darkcrayz** · 12-09-2009, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Almond

Do you have any vertigo at all? (Vertigo is pretty much a disturbance in your balance, e.g. if you close your eyes and turn your head from side to side, will you eventually fall over?)

You wouldn't believe how many ways vertigo can affect you. It can affect your vision, especially when looking at moving objects, because the focusing of your eyes also depends on whether you think you're moving or not (because vertigo will give you a false sense of movement).

Also, it commonly causes panic attacks (but these go away over time as you begin to realise that you have nothing to be afraid of).

Also, it can cause fatigue because an extraordinary amount of energy is required to keep you balanced, and it doesn't help when one of your balance systems is giving dodgy readings.

Vertigo is rarely ever diagnosed or recognised by a normal doctor. I had it for maybe a year or two before I eventually decided to go see a specialist on my own, and it only took him 20 minutes of investigating to figure out what was wrong.

i was gonna say high blood pressure putting pressure on his optic nerve and causing problems but i like your answer better.

**darkcrayz** · 12-09-2009, 01:12 PM

it might be expensive in the end, but next episode you could go to the ER and have them run some tests and see if that is more comprehensive then the clinic dr's, but at the same time might not be.

why dont you have insurance? at 26 years old its pretty inexpensive man.

**chuckt12345** · 12-09-2009, 01:51 PM

sounds like panic attacks,, also you need to get your blood sugar looked at

**Howard Stern** · 12-09-2009, 01:52 PM

I have been where your at man...... juice can **** your hormones up bad weeks months after your off some of it is HBP , nervous

**JuicedCobra** · 12-09-2009, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Almond

Do you have any vertigo at all? (Vertigo is pretty much a disturbance in your balance, e.g. if you close your eyes and turn your head from side to side, will you eventually fall over?)

You wouldn't believe how many ways vertigo can affect you. It can affect your vision, especially when looking at moving objects, because the focusing of your eyes also depends on whether you think you're moving or not (because vertigo will give you a false sense of movement).

Also, it commonly causes panic attacks (but these go away over time as you begin to realise that you have nothing to be afraid of).

Also, it can cause fatigue because an extraordinary amount of energy is required to keep you balanced, and it doesn't help when one of your balance systems is giving dodgy readings.

Vertigo is rarely ever diagnosed or recognised by a normal doctor. I had it for maybe a year or two before I eventually decided to go see a specialist on my own, and it only took him 20 minutes of investigating to figure out what was wrong.

The doc had me stand up with my eyes closed and he had me relax my next while he sort of whipped it quickly on either side. He also had me stand holding my arms up to the front with my palms facing up. This didn't produce any symptoms. However, I wasn't really feeling bad when I had my appointment. I'm assuming he was checking for vertigo?

What was the treatment if any??

**JuicedCobra** · 12-09-2009, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by *El Diablo*

I dont understand why u went drinking ALCOHOL on AAS???? I dont think that is whats causing the vision issue's but that would have definitly contributed to the feeling of Hypoglycemic breakdown. I cannot help you anyware else but please dont fvking mix EXESSIVE BING drinking while on AAS.
I think u are suffering from some sort of panic attack, but im not medically fit to give you advise on this. Personally i will dig deep into my pocket and make sure i am fine, go see proper Doc and get decent refferals... IMO.

You're right. I know I was a ****ing moron. It started with "oh yeah I'll have a few beers with you guys.. then I get handed a shot.. then another.. then the next thing you know I'm drunk.."

I stayed away until my PCT was done and I felt really good. And now all this!?

**KimboHalfSlice** · 12-09-2009, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by JuicedCobra

The doc had me stand up with my eyes closed and he had me relax my next while he sort of whipped it quickly on either side. He also had me stand holding my arms up to the front with my palms facing up. This didn't produce any symptoms. However, I wasn't really feeling bad when I had my appointment. I'm assuming he was checking for vertigo?

What was the treatment if any??

General practitioners (i.e. normal doctors) can be pretty good when it comes to run-of-the-mill stuff like chest infections, but there's some things I always go to a specialist for.

Not many doctors know much at all about vertigo. I found a vertigo doctor in the physiotherapy department of a hospital, and he specialised in vertigo, he knew exactly what he was doing (yeah it's kind of funny but they're classified as physiotherapists).

What I first had vertigo I had a lot of what you describe, sort of like panic attacks, high blood pressure, sometimes feeling like I actually need to sit down and get away from everything. I found that caffeine made it worse. Everyone (including my family) just thought I was having psychological problems so they sent me to see a counselor, but a year later I decided I needed to go see a vertigo doctor and sure enough he diagnosed me pretty much straight away.

I'm not saying you have vertigo, I really can't tell from what you've written, but if you want to have it checked out then you really need to go to a specialist because a normal doctor won't know much at all about it.

Vertigo is complicated. Your brain uses 3 mechanisms in order to keep you balanced:
1) Your eyes (what you see)
2) The vestibular system in your ears
3) The feeling of rigidness in your knees

If any of these 3 get messed up, it throws everything off and you can end up with all sorts of symptoms, including anxiety, panic attacks, high blood pressure.

I remember my own vertigo doctor told me that he had one patient come to see him who had vertigo for 30 years, and all it took was a few sessions of rehab to sort it out.

Again, I'm not saying you have vertigo, I don't have enough information to give that diagnosis (and I'm not a doctor!), but I can tell you for one thing that a normal doctor won't know enough about it to be able to help you.

This site has some info:

www.vestibular.org

And they have a list of places you can find a specialist:

http://www.vestibular.org/find-medic...ofessional.php

**darkcrayz** · 12-10-2009, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by Almond

General practitioners (i.e. normal doctors) can be pretty good when it comes to run-of-the-mill stuff like chest infections, but there's some things I always go to a specialist for.

Not many doctors know much at all about vertigo. I found a vertigo doctor in the physiotherapy department of a hospital, and he specialised in vertigo, he knew exactly what he was doing (yeah it's kind of funny but they're classified as physiotherapists).

What I first had vertigo I had a lot of what you describe, sort of like panic attacks, high blood pressure, sometimes feeling like I actually need to sit down and get away from everything. I found that caffeine made it worse. Everyone (including my family) just thought I was having psychological problems so they sent me to see a counselor, but a year later I decided I needed to go see a vertigo doctor and sure enough he diagnosed me pretty much straight away.

I'm not saying you have vertigo, I really can't tell from what you've written, but if you want to have it checked out then you really need to go to a specialist because a normal doctor won't know much at all about it.

Vertigo is complicated. Your brain uses 3 mechanisms in order to keep you balanced:
1) Your eyes (what you see)
2) The vestibular system in your ears
3) The feeling of rigidness in your knees

If any of these 3 get messed up, it throws everything off and you can end up with all sorts of symptoms, including anxiety, panic attacks, high blood pressure.

I remember my own vertigo doctor told me that he had one patient come to see him who had vertigo for 30 years, and all it took was a few sessions of rehab to sort it out.

Again, I'm not saying you have vertigo, I don't have enough information to give that diagnosis (and I'm not a doctor!), but I can tell you for one thing that a normal doctor won't know enough about it to be able to help you.

This site has some info:

www.vestibular.org

And they have a list of places you can find a specialist:

http://www.vestibular.org/find-medic...ofessional.php

that was extremely informative.

how is your vertigo now?

**JuicedCobra** · 12-16-2009, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Almond

General practitioners (i.e. normal doctors) can be pretty good when it comes to run-of-the-mill stuff like chest infections, but there's some things I always go to a specialist for.

Not many doctors know much at all about vertigo. I found a vertigo doctor in the physiotherapy department of a hospital, and he specialised in vertigo, he knew exactly what he was doing (yeah it's kind of funny but they're classified as physiotherapists).

What I first had vertigo I had a lot of what you describe, sort of like panic attacks, high blood pressure, sometimes feeling like I actually need to sit down and get away from everything. I found that caffeine made it worse. Everyone (including my family) just thought I was having psychological problems so they sent me to see a counselor, but a year later I decided I needed to go see a vertigo doctor and sure enough he diagnosed me pretty much straight away.

I'm not saying you have vertigo, I really can't tell from what you've written, but if you want to have it checked out then you really need to go to a specialist because a normal doctor won't know much at all about it.

Vertigo is complicated. Your brain uses 3 mechanisms in order to keep you balanced:
1) Your eyes (what you see)
2) The vestibular system in your ears
3) The feeling of rigidness in your knees

If any of these 3 get messed up, it throws everything off and you can end up with all sorts of symptoms, including anxiety, panic attacks, high blood pressure.

I remember my own vertigo doctor told me that he had one patient come to see him who had vertigo for 30 years, and all it took was a few sessions of rehab to sort it out.

Again, I'm not saying you have vertigo, I don't have enough information to give that diagnosis (and I'm not a doctor!), but I can tell you for one thing that a normal doctor won't know enough about it to be able to help you.

This site has some info:

www.vestibular.org

And they have a list of places you can find a specialist:

http://www.vestibular.org/find-medic...ofessional.php

Thanks. After reading symptoms on their site it sounds very much like what I'm experiencing.

Thanks again for the help. I'm going to try and be seen by one of these people.

**dec11** · 12-16-2009, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by JuicedCobra

Thanks. After reading symptoms on their site it sounds very much like what I'm experiencing.

Thanks again for the help. I'm going to try and be seen by one of these people.

i suffer from migraines, and sometimes i get the visual disturbance and no pain at all, this is intensified when cycling, just a thought