Enanthate vs Propionate

[soon2bfreak]

go with sus

[BJJ]

go with sus

why?

[ScotchGuard]

Good posts, learned a lot.

[Mooseman33]

BJJ, ur a real man bro.
u have been around and i think i have a feel for u.

go with the prop....

[BJJ]

BJJ, ur a real man bro.
u have been around and i think i have a feel for u.

go with the prop....

Thanks for your kind words.
I am considering your advice.

[Lemonada8]

eh u have most of the questions asnwered, now its just opinoin time lol

id go with prop, esp cuz u dont want the water weight, however like said before id shoot ED and just rotate the sites that u shoot,

one tip i did find out, is that if i shot my quads, then did squats in my workout the same day susually within a hour of shooting that REALLY decreased the amount of pain that i had the next day following the injection...so i worked out after i shot and didnt have much pain at all...

but def dont have an injection then be sedintary all day then work out at night, that made me super super sore and could barely work out...

best of luck!

and good luck finding painless prop, ive always made mine and never had a problem so it can be easily done

[RANA]

Good points either from those who go for test en and from those who go for test prop.

So, I am confused now!
My next cycle will be in March 2010 so I will have enough time to make up my mind, I would say.

Thanks to all who replied to my thread.

What other compound are you going to take with it, this can help you determine on what ester to use

[BJJ]

eh u have most of the questions asnwered, now its just opinoin time lol

id go with prop, esp cuz u dont want the water weight, however like said before id shoot ED and just rotate the sites that u shoot,

one tip i did find out, is that if i shot my quads, then did squats in my workout the same day susually within a hour of shooting that REALLY decreased the amount of pain that i had the next day following the injection...so i worked out after i shot and didnt have much pain at all...

but def dont have an injection then be sedintary all day then work out at night, that made me super super sore and could barely work out...

best of luck!

and good luck finding painless prop, ive always made mine and never had a problem so it can be easily done

Thank you for your advice, I will consider it.

What other compound are you going to take with it, this can help you determine on what ester to use

I was thinking about this type of cycle:

Week 1-10
Test (?) 500 mg ew
Mesterolone 50 mg ed

Week 7-10
Oxandrolone 50 mg ed

Furthermore, I was considering Eq.

[RANA]

Thank you for your advice, I will consider it.



I was thinking about this type of cycle:

Week 1-10
Test (?) 500 mg ew
Mesterolone 50 mg ed

Week 7-10
Oxandrolone 50 mg ed

Furthermore, I was considering Eq.

Well hell, if you're already doing ED injections you might as well add prop, IMHO

[BJJ]

Well hell, if you're already doing ED injections you might as well add prop, IMHO

What do you mean for "already doing ED injections"?

[marcus300]

You haven't used either, so pick one and give it a try thats the only way to find out HOW you respond to them, all this discussion is pointless try prop first and next cycle try Test e its that simple, best of luck

[BJJ]

You haven't used either, so pick one and give it a try thats the only way to find out HOW you respond to them, all this discussion is pointless try prop first and next cycle try Test e its that simple, best of luck

Would you advise me to use prop ed or eod?
Like 60 mg ed or 120 mg eod?

[Mooseman33]

i use my prop eod till i add my tren ace.
then i go ed..

but if ur just running prop, inject it eod and u will have no problems bro..
and usually its dosed at 100mg/ml so i would recomend that u do 1.5ml eod
which is 150mg eod....

[BJJ]

i use my prop eod till i add my tren ace.
then i go ed..

but if ur just running prop, inject it eod and u will have no problems bro..
and usually its dosed at 100mg/ml so i would recomend that u do 1.5ml eod
which is 150mg eod....

Thank you, I appreciate it.

[Critical Mass]

You haven't used either, so pick one and give it a try thats the only way to find out HOW you respond to them, all this discussion is pointless try prop first and next cycle try Test e its that simple, best of luck

I agree with Marcus...after all test is test...and test is best.

Do you think you can handle eod inj for 8 weeks? If not go for test e and inj e5d.

[BJJ]

I agree with Marcus...after all test is test...and test is best.

Do you think you can handle eod inj for 8 weeks? If not go for test e and inj e5d.

Well, that is a good question.
I think yes but in any case I give myself a try starting from next Saturday when I will start my GSH protocol and for the next ten days I will have to inject 600 mg ed.

[amostofi1999]

What do you mean for "already doing ED injections"?

i think he confused proviron with an injectable

[Critical Mass]

Well, that is a good question.
I think yes but in any case I give myself a try starting from next Saturday when I will start my GSH protocol and for the next ten days I will have to inject 600 mg ed.

Que?

[BJJ]

Que?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=408832

[Airnzah]

Two weeks into this exact cycle and I love it! Yes, I have used Enanthate before, but I like this cycle better. I shoot EOD with no problems. The effects are almost immediate (from the prop.) and no side problems. Very controllable.

this thread is making me think twice about what cycle I'm gonna do! originally this is what I also planned. but I think I'll do this the next time.

OP keep us posted on your progress

[marcus300]

Would you advise me to use prop ed or eod?
Like 60 mg ed or 120 mg eod?

You would get a slightly better more stable blood level with ED injection, but EOD is fine it just depends if your sensitive to that or not.

[Kiki]

I've used both, and they are high quality human gear from pharmaceutical companies.

Pros for prop: Less water, instant pump after injection.
Cons for prop: ED or EOD injections, hurts in the beginning.

Pros for Enth: Can be 1 injection per week, painless injections.
Cons for Enth: Some bloat.


Overall, I like enth because of the fact that there are less injections.

[BJJ]

I've used both, and they are high quality human gear from pharmaceutical companies.

Pros for prop: Less water, instant pump after injection.
Cons for prop: ED or EOD injections, hurts in the beginning.

Pros for Enth: Can be 1 injection per week, painless injections.
Cons for Enth: Some bloat.


Overall, I like enth because of the fact that there are less injections.

Thanks for sharing, appreciate it.

[BJJ]

I don`t really think one causes more sides than the other. Bloat can be easily controlled with enanthate with a clean diet and if necessary an ai.

I have always had the least amount of water retention with Prop. Are you looking bulk or cut with this cycle?

Oh, I prefer to inject Prop ED as opposed to EOD, but thats just me.

I like prop, and I shoot it ed for the most stable levels.

i only use prop now.

i never really felt or seen a diffrence
if the prop is pain free then id prb go with prop alot more

Don't see the prob by just using arimidex or something during en..

I always get more bloat with enanthate no matter what diet is like. I always used enan in the past but last 2 years ive gotten better results with prop! Most of my friends who fight only use Prop as a test due to the short ester and drug test.

I would suggest 200mg prop and 200mg eq 3x/week

no water bloat + increased endurance

If you are gonna inj ed or eod go with prop. There is really no need to inj enan eod.

Use a 12,7mm syringe for ed inj.

I'm not a prop fan at all..... All the prop i'v had has hurt..... and I don't want to get more and try it without knowing it's going to be painless.....

I don't hold water on enanthate.... never have. I guess i'm lucky in that sense..... Also..... I shoot my enanthate 3 times per week when I stack other compounds because of the ammount of oil the muscle can hold. I do remember hearing the most effective way to keep blood levels stabl is to use a long esther and inject it more frequently..... I.E. Enanthate every day.

~Haz~

I like Test Prop a lot. I'm actually on 50mg/EOD now, conducting a small experiment.

Test Prop and short esters will aromotase less, cause less of a spike in DHT and suppress the HPTA less, than long esters of the same parent hormone. It can only be said for compounds that aromotase, can convert to DHT and are esterfied though.

Thats why many hold less on Test Prop over Test Enan/Cyp.

I rotate right shoulder, quad, glute. Left shoulder, quad, glute.

Prop is a crap shoot at best. Not that it works or doesn't work. It's whether or not it's "pain free". Cause if it's not, it sucks bad. This stuff can be VERY painful.

Most prop is listed at a 100 mg/ml. It would take about three bottles of the stuff to complete an eight week cycle. Let's say the day after your first injection, you realize that the stuff you have isn't as "pain free" as the guy who sold it to you said it was. Now, you have to make a decision. Do I live with the pain ( it doesn't get any better) and complete the cycle? Or do I start popping nolvadex and try to get rid of the remaining bottles to that annoying guy at the gym? You will not like not being able to sit down, let alone train martial arts if it is not 'pain free'.

There is NO painful enanathate or cyponate. To me, being able to move comfortably is WAY more important than a little water retention.

I agree^^^, I hit one spot per week. I stay away from quads with prop.

My last cycle was Test Prop and Mast Prop together.

The only thing I did not like about it was not really the frequent injections, but the amount of oil I had to inject.

I was doing EOD injections.

I wanted to run about 500mgs of each so I was injecting 1.5ml of each EOD.

I could not really inject 3ML into anything but my glutes or quads.

I would try 1.5ml of each into each calve, but it made it hard to walk the next day.

I like prop, but the convenience of using Test E makes it hard for me to decide what I would like to use regularly.

It would not be as bad if I get some 200mg/ml though.

I added Tbol to the cycle also. But I was certainly more dry on prop.

Previously I've used Test E with EQ and I actually liked EQ. The only thing is it made my blood pressure pretty high.

arimidex (at low dose wont deminish gains , again only run if needed )

drink lots of water

watch sodium levels as it makes u hold water

good diet

cardio

id go enanthate less injects , painless, following the above youll be fine imo

I for sure would do test e HG and have some adex or aromasin on hand in case you bloat low dose AI will not hinder gains really at all IMO. The reasons why is HG test prop is few and far in between and expensive, HG test E is everywhere at a damn good price, If you have nopt done injections yet the amount of oil you will have to inject and the pain you are likely to get from UGL prop will not be a good experience at all. Its simple if you bloat on test e just hit the ai low dose reduce sodium more and up the water.

Prop pain is the next day after shooting.

Try a hard massage of the area afterward. Get the shit moving....

I also think it helps to warm it up before shooting.

go with sus

eh u have most of the questions asnwered, now its just opinoin time lol

id go with prop, esp cuz u dont want the water weight, however like said before id shoot ED and just rotate the sites that u shoot,

one tip i did find out, is that if i shot my quads, then did squats in my workout the same day susually within a hour of shooting that REALLY decreased the amount of pain that i had the next day following the injection...so i worked out after i shot and didnt have much pain at all...

but def dont have an injection then be sedintary all day then work out at night, that made me super super sore and could barely work out...

best of luck!

and good luck finding painless prop, ive always made mine and never had a problem so it can be easily done

You haven't used either, so pick one and give it a try thats the only way to find out HOW you respond to them, all this discussion is pointless try prop first and next cycle try Test e its that simple, best of luck

I've used both, and they are high quality human gear from pharmaceutical companies.

Pros for prop: Less water, instant pump after injection.
Cons for prop: ED or EOD injections, hurts in the beginning.

Pros for Enth: Can be 1 injection per week, painless injections.
Cons for Enth: Some bloat.


Overall, I like enth because of the fact that there are less injections.

What about this idea, you can tell me if it has a constructive meaning or is an insane way to act:

To have a kickstart avoiding the use of tbol but to keep it simple avoiding to inject ed or eod, what about frontloading with test prop and then stay on test en?


Week 1-12 test en 150 mg ew one shot (from week 4, 500 mg ew two shots)
Week 1-3 test prop 50 mg ed
Week 1-3 proviron 75 mg ed (from week 4, 50 mg ed)


Make sense?
Grazie

[terraj]

Stay at 500 for the 12 weeks of Test E.

It's pointless doing 150 for the first 4 weeks.

[BJJ]

Stay at 500 for the 12 weeks of Test E.

It's pointless doing 150 for the first 4 weeks.

Yes but then I would inject 850 mg ew from both tests.
Is not that too much for my weight (209) and for the fact I never ran test yet?

[terraj]

No Bro, to your body it's not 800 per week because the Test E has not kicked in yet...that is why you do the prop.

[Lemonada8]

^^ that doesnt make sense...

and why are you really wanting to do test e? and since its ur first cycle, id do the one compound and see how that works... try the frontloading and such on ur 2nd cycle..

truthfully if ur not scared of needles, id stick with the prop esp if its painless for ya, i think u can feel it workin better (prolly psychological but hey whatever works)

[BJJ]

^^ that doesnt make sense...

and why are you really wanting to do test e? and since its ur first cycle, id do the one compound and see how that works... try the frontloading and such on ur 2nd cycle..

truthfully if ur not scared of needles, id stick with the prop esp if its painless for ya, i think u can feel it workin better (prolly psychological but hey whatever works)

No problem with needles at all just next year I'll probably move so I was looking for something more practical and thought about that.