Enanthate vs Propionate

[BJJ]

I am considering my next and second cycle.
Being a martial artist, water for me is an issue so I was thinking to use testosterone propionate instead of enanthate in regards of its ability to cause the least side effects and the least bloating.
This, in spite I shall have to inject every other day instead of twice a week.

Who disagrees? and in case, why?

Testosterone (no ester) C19 H28 O2, Molecular Weight 288.4 mg = 100 mg
Propionate C3 H4 O, Molecular Weight 56.1 mg = 83.72 mg (shortest)
Cypionate C8 H4 O, Molecular Weight 124.2 mg = 69.90 mg (longest)

[redz]

I don`t really think one causes more sides than the other. Bloat can be easily controlled with enanthate with a clean diet and if necessary an ai.

[G4R]

I have always had the least amount of water retention with Prop. Are you looking bulk or cut with this cycle?

Oh, I prefer to inject Prop ED as opposed to EOD, but thats just me.

[BJJ]

I have always had the least amount of water retention with Prop. Are you looking bulk or cut with this cycle?

Oh, I prefer to inject Prop ED as opposed to EOD, but thats just me.

I want to bulk but I want no water, possibly!

[Big]

I like prop, and I shoot it ed for the most stable levels.

[Mooseman33]

i only use prop now.

[BJJ]

I don`t really think one causes more sides than the other. Bloat can be easily controlled with enanthate with a clean diet and if necessary an ai.

Are you sure a clean diet is enough?
I really would not like to take an AI during...

[BJJ]

I like prop, and I shoot it ed for the most stable levels.

i only use prop now.

So you both used enanthate before and realized it is better using propionate ?

[chuckt12345]

i never really felt or seen a diffrence
if the prop is pain free then id prb go with prop alot more

[Deadviking]

Don't see the prob by just using arimidex or something during en..

[G4R]

Stay clean with your diet and you shouldnt have too much of an issue.

[workoutfreak078]

Don't see the prob by just using arimidex or something during en..

Because lowering your estrogen can hinder gains, so it is best to try and keep a clean diet or use a different compound to prevent water bloat.

[BJJ]

Because lowering your estrogen can hinder gains, so it is best to try and keep a clean diet or use a different compound to prevent water bloat.

...So?

[Mooseman33]

BJJ- run some prop, with ur knowledge im sure ur diet is on point.
just research ur prop first as u do not want prop that will cripple u.
there is painless prop around, take ur time and get it..

u will be happy brother

[urbanbody]

I always get more bloat with enanthate no matter what diet is like. I always used enan in the past but last 2 years ive gotten better results with prop! Most of my friends who fight only use Prop as a test due to the short ester and drug test.

[BJJ]

BJJ- run some prop, with ur knowledge im sure ur diet is on point.
just research ur prop first as u do not want prop that will cripple u.
there is painless prop around, take ur time and get it..

u will be happy brother

You are talking about the quality of the propionate , right?
Also, what do you mean for painless propionate? I mean, if the prop is legit regardless the source of origin, the chemical structure is the same, so why painless?

[BJJ]

I always get more bloat with enanthate no matter what diet is like. I always used enan in the past but last 2 years ive gotten better results with prop! Most of my friends who fight only use Prop as a test due to the short ester and drug test.

That is what I was thinking.
Sure the diet is fundamental but propionate should give you a better shape compared to enanthate .

[cvictorg]

I would suggest 200mg prop and 200mg eq 3x/week

no water bloat + increased endurance

[Mooseman33]

prop can be legit and hurt like a SOB
can also be legit and be painless.
i have used both, right now i have the smoothest prop i ever used..

i dont know all the tech. terms, someone who brews will shed some light but it has to do not with the test powder but with the other chems used to complete the process.

[BJJ]

I like prop, and I shoot it ed for the most stable levels.

How do you manage the sites of the injections?
Shooting ed should make you like an emmenthal cheese! no?

I was thinking myself to shoot mostly on my legs which are always covered during my either rollings and work-outs.
What would you suggest by your own experience?

[BJJ]

I would suggest 200mg prop and 200mg eq 3x/week

no water bloat + increased endurance

Do you mean the first three weeks only?

[BJJ]

prop can be legit and hurt like a SOB
can also be legit and be painless.
i have used both, right now i have the smoothest prop i ever used..

i dont know all the tech. terms, someone who brews will shed some light but it has to do not with the test powder but with the other chems used to complete the process.

Of course, it is logic. My bad!
Thanks

[Mooseman33]

he means 3 times a week.

[BJJ]

he means 3 times a week.

Today I must be drunk!

[Critical Mass]

If you are gonna inj ed or eod go with prop. There is really no need to inj enan eod.

Use a 12,7mm syringe for ed inj.

[BJJ]

If you are gonna inj ed or eod go with prop. There is really no need to inj enan eod.

Use a 12,7mm syringe for ed inj.

I did not mean to inject en ed or eod but twice a week.
What's gauge is the syringe you advised?

[BJJ]

I would suggest 200mg prop and 200mg eq 3x/week

no water bloat + increased endurance

With that amount of eq, is the increase of appetite severe?

[chuckt12345]

yea my last bttl of prop i had bout mad me cry eveytime just thinkn about my next shot

[urbanbody]

That is what I was thinking.
Sure the diet is fundamental but propionate should give you a better shape compared to enanthate.

Thats what my experience as many others are as well.

[urbanbody]

You are talking about the quality of the propionate , right?
Also, what do you mean for painless propionate? I mean, if the prop is legit regardless the source of origin, the chemical structure is the same, so why painless?

Why painless? Bro you will for sure get tired of injecting prop when it hurts. Sometimes you can find a ugl that is less BA which will make it less pain!

[cvictorg]

With that amount of eq, is the increase of appetite severe?

Not severe - very controllable - what I did notice was that my cardio became easier so I had to increase the resistance on the elliptical at my gym and the definition became quite noticiable

test prop + eq - a very good cycle to be on

[G4R]

You get used to the pain with prop. Just rotate your injection spots all over. Quads, Glutes, Delts, Biceps, Chest.

Remember, you have 3 different muscle heads in your Delts you can inject into (although the outer head can be difficult to reach sometimes), and 2 different muscle heads in your biceps, outer (long head) and the inner (short head).

[urbanbody]

Your body getting use to the pain is your body getting used to the BA in the prop. After a week it will ease up some.

[BJJ]

Not severe - very controllable - what I did notice was that my cardio became easier so I had to increase the resistance on the elliptical at my gym and the definition became quite noticiable

test prop + eq - a very good cycle to be on

I shall do further researches regarding the cycle you suggested.
Thank you for sharing.

Do you "play" any martial arts?

[BJJ]

You get used to the pain with prop. Just rotate your injection spots all over. Quads, Glutes, Delts, Biceps, Chest.

Remember, you have 3 different muscle heads in your Delts you can inject into (although the outer head can be difficult to reach sometimes), and 2 different muscle heads in your biceps, outer (long head) and the inner (short head).

Definitely, I am going to follow your suggestion.
I do not want to become a gruyère...

Also, it must be very painful to inject on ones bicep, or?

[BJJ]

Your body getting use to the pain is your body getting used to the BA in the prop. After a week it will ease up some.

I hope so!

[G4R]

Definitely, I am going to follow your suggestion.
I do not want to become a gruyère...

Also, it must be very painful to inject on ones bicep, or?

The outer muscle head (long head) is very easy. I inject both outer and inner, and I find the inner head to be more 'tender', but its not that bad.

Just stick to the outer head and you will be fine.

[BJJ]

The outer muscle head (long head) is very easy. I inject both outer and inner, and I find the inner head to be more 'tender', but its not that bad.

Just stick to the outer head and you will be fine.

Do you seep into the muscle in the same way you do on your delt or glut?

[Hazard]

I'm not a prop fan at all..... All the prop i'v had has hurt..... and I don't want to get more and try it without knowing it's going to be painless.....

I don't hold water on enanthate .... never have. I guess i'm lucky in that sense..... Also..... I shoot my enanthate 3 times per week when I stack other compounds because of the ammount of oil the muscle can hold. I do remember hearing the most effective way to keep blood levels stabl is to use a long esther and inject it more frequently..... I.E. Enanthate every day.

~Haz~

[Hazard]

The outer muscle head (long head) is very easy. I inject both outer and inner, and I find the inner head to be more 'tender', but its not that bad.

Just stick to the outer head and you will be fine.

Upper outer quad..... usually is A OKAY. *knocks on wood* - I have an injection today..... LOL

~Haz~