If AI's dont hurt gains, why not always include it?

**firsttimer22** · 12-16-2009, 08:41 PM

if this is true, why doesnt every cycle consist of it just for a causion???

**Big** · 12-16-2009, 08:43 PM

because on many cycles and for many people it isn't needed, and many of us aren't fans of using something you don't need.

**firsttimer22** · 12-16-2009, 08:52 PM

ya but since test is the backbone of all cycles, shouldnt u always want an AI because an increase in test is gona cause estro to rise high

**kalspic** · 12-16-2009, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by firsttimer22

ya but since test is the backbone of all cycles, shouldnt u always want an AI because an increase in test is gona cause estro to rise high

not everyone gets side effects.

**Big** · 12-16-2009, 08:54 PM

nope, it depends on the individual and how they respond. for me, I can run 500 to 750mg/week of test with no estrogen related sides whatsoever.

**Dumbass** · 12-16-2009, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by firsttimer22

if this is true, why doesnt every cycle consist of it just for a causion???

Since the statement is false the answer is pretty obvious.

**firsttimer22** · 12-16-2009, 08:58 PM

what esle besides itchy nipps are estro sides?

**Dumbass** · 12-16-2009, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by firsttimer22

what esle besides itchy nipps are estro sides?

Water retention (bloat), increased fat storage, higher bloodpressure, poor cholesterol(?), oily skin, acne..

**dec11** · 12-16-2009, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Big

nope, it depends on the individual and how they respond. for me, I can run 500 to 750mg/week of test with no estrogen related sides whatsoever.

nice for some lol

**dynomutt22** · 12-18-2009, 12:29 AM

this is why your first cycle is not all out and balls to the wall. you need to find out what works or hurts ... what you like and don't like... I am realizing that this is a learing experience...

take your time grasshopper

**adam15425** · 12-18-2009, 12:54 AM

Most first cycles dont require and AI because of low doeses but some do due to individuals being very sensitive to estrogen. Most dont and by using an AI will drive estrogen too low. Estrogen is also a factor in the muscle-building process. Estrogen has been linked to increases in GH and IGF-1 which improves glucose utilization. This glucose aid the pentose phosphate pathway which helps dictate the speed muscle tissue will be repaired. Estrogen also can increase androgen receptor binding, increase androgen receptors, keep serotonin levels in check( better sleep), more energy, improved mood, and a better sex drive. Therefore some of testosterone 's effects are dependent, to a degree, on the aromatization process.

Some signs of low estrogen are low libido, achy joints, dry skin/hair and legarthy. Also a greater risk for muscle injury I hear.

**TITANIUM** · 12-18-2009, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by Big

because on many cycles and for many people it isn't needed, and many of us aren't fans of using something you don't need.

Yup^^^^^

Best

T

**ranging1** · 12-18-2009, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by firsttimer22

if this is true, why doesnt every cycle consist of it just for a causion???

my god how many questions can u ask? worst is they get worse and worse

AIs do suppress gains

estrogen suppresin has been shown to reduce IGF and other anabolic factors

those who have been here long enough should remeber the studies 'merc' posted showing evidence that AIs do suppress gains

so why dont people run AIs during their cycle? becuase they do suppress gains

some people dont require them

some cycles dont have alot of water retention from the steroids so an AI isnt needed

**.EA.** · 12-18-2009, 03:51 AM

I was just running 800mg of Test, and the only side effect I get is slight acne on my back. And a few pounds of water if I eat clean and drink lots of water. That's it that's all.

My buddy on the other hand is very prone to gyno, and he gets retarded water retention.