Who cycles without orals?

[Kibble]

I am seriously thinking about dropping the Dbol in my current cycle. My weight went from 232-245 in 3 weeks. My face is also bloated big time. People keep commenting on my face lol. The bloat makes me feel like shit anyway. Hard to stay motivated when I look like a slob to myself. The back pumps are not as bad anymore as they were in week 2. Strength has gone up slightly... not close to what I expected. But I believe my diet is to blame, but it is fixed now.

Basically, from the bloat and pumps, I decided that Orals are not for me. Also, because of the toxicity issues related. So, does anybody here cycle without orals? And if you do, do you have any suggestions to get things kicked off faster? I heard to run Prop instead of Enanthate. Maybe I will try that. Thanks guys

[dec11]

im getn pissed with orals too, some just wait and be patient on the injectables to kick in, either tht or prop

[Kibble]

I am stopping the dbol. I have Tbol, so I may give it a try since it doesn't produce bloating. I may run 60mg for 4 weeks at end of my cycle. No more dbol. Fvck dbol lol

[dec11]

yeah, im done wit dbol too m8, gona hit primo on its own next time, slow and easy and doesnt fvck the body up like test etc

[ranging1]

yes another dbol hater

FUK dbol lol, i hated it to

as for test, why not do a small frontload of your test now?

what people dont realise is that NO MATTER what ester (cyp, ethanthate, prop etc) they ALL peak within 1-2 days of being injected

the reaosn why u feel prop faster is becuase if you inject 100mg, that 100mg active life will be spread over 3-4 days

for simplicity sake well just say that turns into 25mgs of test a day 100mg/4days=25mg daily

if we inject ethanthate 100mg, its spread over 14 days, 100/14= 7.3mgs a day

thats why it takes more time for longer esters to kick in, becuase the dose is spread out over a longer period

what im trying to say is you dont need to introduce prop to help kick u off

all you need to do is on your next shot is inject 500mgs, that put ur blood levels at their peak and youll be all set

[marcus300]

Are you taking anything for the bloat?
Is your diet tight?

[BJJ]

yes another dbol hater

FUK dbol lol, i hated it to

as for test, why not do a small frontload of your test now?

what people dont realise is that NO MATTER what ester (cyp, ethanthate, prop etc) they ALL peak within 1-2 days of being injected

the reaosn why u feel prop faster is becuase if you inject 100mg, that 100mg active life will be spread over 3-4 days

for simplicity sake well just say that turns into 25mgs of test a day 100mg/4days=25mg daily

if we inject ethanthate 100mg, its spread over 14 days, 100/14= 7.3mgs a day

thats why it takes more time for longer esters to kick in, becuase the dose is spread out over a longer period

what im trying to say is you dont need to introduce prop to help kick u off

all you need to do is on your next shot is inject 500mgs, that put ur blood levels at their peak and youll be all set

What about eventual sides in doing that?

[ranging1]

What about eventual sides in doing that?

he has nolvadex on hand, itll prevent anythng serious

plus its onyl going to put his blood levels to where their going to be in the next week or 2

[.EA.]

I was thinking about the exact same thing not too long ago. DBol is the cause of these friggin stretch marks near my armpit. It also made my stomach very bloated when I was running 40mg a day. I don't know if I want to put up with that once again.

I was thinking of just front-loading my Test and/or kick starting with Prop. I was fine with the water retention until I lost those few pounds of water, and I realized that it does slow me down. Coming from a martial arts background I feel quite a bit more agile and somehow more "solid".

I was thinking of adding Anavar to my cycles because it enhances and speeds up recovery. Other than that I don't think I'll hit up either DBol or Anadrol for my next run. TBol may be an option.

[BJJ]

I was thinking about the exact same thing not too long ago. DBol is the cause of these friggin stretch marks near my armpit. It also made my stomach very bloated when I was running 40mg a day. I don't know if I want to put up with that once again.

I was thinking of just front-loading my Test and/or kick starting with Prop. I was fine with the water retention until I lost those few pounds of water, and I realized that it does slow me down. Coming from a martial arts background I feel quite a bit more agile and somehow more "solid".

I was thinking of adding Anavar to my cycles because it enhances and speeds up recovery and care about your tendons.... Other than that I don't think I'll hit up either DBol or Anadrol for my next run. TBol may be an option.

[.EA.]

Yes, that too. lol

Injury sucks. Period.

[LeroyB]

Don't want to thread-jack but since DBOL is commonly included in a TestE cycle to kick start it - why would anyone run it longer than 2 weeks since by than you are into the TEST E full force.

[BJJ]

Don't want to thread-jack but since DBOL is commonly included in a TestE cycle to kick start it - why would anyone run it longer than 2 weeks since by than you are into the TEST E full force.

I heard you need at least 4 weeks on test en.

[Bossman]

Orals mess with my stomach. I have ulcerative colitis. I just use quick esthers. With test prop and NPP you're on in just a few days. You can also get injectable dbol. Or make your own injectable adrol. I make a blend of injectable dbol/adrol that kicks ass for a jumpstart.

Use arimidex for the bloat.

[Kibble]

Are you taking anything for the bloat?
Is your diet tight?

My diet has been adjusted twice in the diet forum. I am trying to stick with it the best I can. I know for sure that my sodium intake is low.... I always ensure that.

I have extra Nolva on hand, but I did not want to use it for bloat. I was going to run it in case of gyno. I am halfway through week 3, so it may be safe to drop the orals. I am not giving dbol a bad name. Well, not trying to. I am just stating that I will not take it again, because I am not too happy with the bloat. I bought Tbol a while back, so I will use that to backload my cycle. If that doesn't go well, then I will say goodbye to orals for good. But my liver and nipples may be happy about that. Thanks for all of the input guys

[Bossman]

Nolva will not help with you bloat. It's just a receptor site blocker. Adex is a aromatace inhibitor. It will stop the conversion of test to estrogen which dbol is famous for. Estrogen causes water retention=bloat.

[gsxracer]

I'm not having any issues with bloat with 40mg of dbol per day, and I drink about 2-3 gallons of water, just keep sodium very low, I'm actually getting more definition in my muscles while on dbol which is kinda awkward considering is suppose to puff you up like a bowling ball but hey, whatever works~!

[BJJ]

I'm not having any issues with bloat with 40mg of dbol per day, and I drink about 2-3 gallons of water, just keep sodium very low, I'm actually getting more definition in my muscles while on dbol which is kinda awkward considering is suppose to puff you up like a bowling ball but hey, whatever works~!

As I told you you are not ready for aas.
Educate first since if what you have written is true you may face serious kidneys troubles...
2-3 gallons of water are 7,57-11,35 liters per day!!!
Do you know what you are doing?

[gsxracer]

nothing wrong with drinking water, it's actually the best cleanser of the body,

and kidneys will not get affected by water it actually helps them more then hurting by drinking alot of water.

[gsxracer]

and the only downfall to it, is you just need to piss like 15-20 times a day,

[Dukkit]

there is such a thing as too much water. look it up. few threads on here discuss it. plus there are studies done on it.

as for orals. i dont get bloated but back pumps are insane. so ive cut them out or use a low low dose just to give me an edge

[BlackTalon]

As I told you you are not ready for aas.
Educate first since if what you have written is true you may face serious kidneys troubles...
2-3 gallons of water are 7,57-11,35 liters per day!!!
Do you know what you are doing?

why dont you tell us smart guy?

[lotsoftime]

nothing wrong with drinking water, it's actually the best cleanser of the body,

and kidneys will not get affected by water it actually helps them more then hurting by drinking alot of water.

Wrong. If your drinking THAT much water you will need to replace minerals that you flush out. Sodium, potasium etc... You want a fun story, google "wee for a wii"

Var and winny are the only orals I'd run. Even then I concern about the toxicity of them.

[BlackTalon]

so basically just drink as much water as you want but take a multivitamin and some salt?

[Mr Busta sweat]

Salt is very bad For Me. One morning I put too much salt on my eggs it looked like I had swallowed a cannon ball for about THree weeks.

[graeme87]

I personally quite like dbol, I ran it up to 100mg once of twice (back when the dbol vs adrol argument was raging just to see what was stronger mg for mg) and if the bloat is a problem go with arimadex is much better than nolva.

I believe the topic was orals and not just dbol so I’d have so say I am very in favour of orals, I can understand some not liking dbol. I can’t take drol as it hurts my stomach and kills my appetite so to each their own, on particular compounds.
Try using tbol as a kick start or if it’s for a cutting or strength cycle halo, anavar or oral winny.

If changing compounds doesn’t work then there is always front loading or using a short ester injectable to kick start.

[gsxracer]

I already seen it, but I'm saying I normaly drink 2 gallons of water, and basicly its not in one sitting, its like 1 litre per hour, and more when I workout ect..

but all you're bodily function require water to perform and a average persone should be drinking 75% of the body weight in ounces, now a very active persone should be drinking more and if you sweat alot do the math,

I'm not saying all my drinks are water, 85% are probably water, I also drink milk, and powerage every once in awhiled,

[graeme87]

I already seen it, but I'm saying I normaly drink 2 gallons of water, and basicly its not in one sitting, its like 1 litre per hour, and more when I workout ect..

but all you're bodily function require water to perform and a average persone should be drinking 75% of the body weight in ounces, now a very active persone should be drinking more and if you sweat alot do the math,

I'm not saying all my drinks are water, 85% are probably water, I also drink milk, and powerage every once in awhiled,

Start your own thread on drinking water this is a discussion about oral steroids.

Ps. I think his point was that your not ready for steroids (bases on previous post I am assuming) however you seem to have gone ahead and started taking steroids like 90% of the people we tell not to because they are not ready.

[amostofi1999]

no man, extra water wont hurt you. i saw this video of natural bodybuilder who claimed to drink 4 gallons a day. he said this forces your body to get rid of the retained water.

[gsxracer]

Start your own thread on drinking water this is a discussion about oral steroids.

Ps. I think his point was that your not ready for steroids (bases on previous post I am assuming) however you seem to have gone ahead and started taking steroids like 90% of the people we tell not to because they are not ready.

i have 3 years of training behind me and I'm 21 years old weighing 12 stone 7lbs (off gear). - Quote

I guess you're ready to talk about roids right?

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[BJJ]

nothing wrong with drinking water, it's actually the best cleanser of the body,

and kidneys will not get affected by water it actually helps them more then hurting by drinking alot of water.

and the only downfall to it, is you just need to piss like 15-20 times a day,

why dont you tell us smart guy?

Educate yourself.
From your words it is clear you are very young and arrogant.
I am done here.

[Mooseman33]

Black Talon/Gsxracer/amostofi, cut the shit and stop hi-jacking..start ur own thread guys..

BigKuntry- i never use orals anymore like others who have posted in here.
use prop next time and u will never use anything else, there is no need to kickstart with prop as base...short esters rock..
also, get some a-dex so u dont look like the stay puff marshmellow man...

[dec11]

black talon, u r full of it, your posts are complete useless uninformative crap, dont come on here questioning ppl who knw what they are talking about, go learn something and try to be constructive