Test E - T-bol + Clen/T3

[starvin-marvin]

Hi guys!

This is my first post on this forum, so wish me welcome! ;D


Stats-

Age: 21 (Soon 22)
Height: 6'3
Weight: 218
BF%: 11,6
Cycle Exp: 1 Cycle, Test E 500mg per week, for 10 weeks + Winstrol finisher, 50mg ED
PCT Knowledge: Very good
Training Exp: 6 years, Went from fat as a kid, to skinny ****, and about 3 years ago I started putting on some mass!

My goal for next cycle is adding a little mass, and shedding some fat. (Recomp).

So, this is what I want to do for my next cycle:

1-4(5) T-bol, 50mg ED
1-12 Test E, 500mg per week
10-12 T-bol, 50mg ED

2-12 HCG, 500 IU per week
1-10 Aromasin 12,5 mg EOD
10-12 Aromasin 12,5mg ED - I want to dry up, and lower total estrogen before hitting PCT.

PCT:

13-18 Nolva, 20mg ED - I don't believe in higher doses of Nolva. The first week I will have low total estrogen anyway because of AI.
15-18 Aromasin, 12mg ED - Aromasin is great for boosting testo levels by limiting testo to estrogen aromatasing, and also limiting SHBG levels, resulting in higher free testo levels.

Now, my question to you guys are:

I want to add Clenbuterol and T3 protocl for max 5 weeks!

I was thinking of adding Clen and T3 at around week 5, which gives me some weeks on AAS, while my thyroid function is recovering.

To be honest, I don't know much about T3, so therefore I'm asking you folks for advice on what to do here!

Help would be appreciated!

Merry X-mas

[starvin-marvin]

Bump!

[Necrosaro]

Age: 21 (Soon 22)

This is all I saw, you can give yourself some problems cycling early you know right. And you have alreasy did one cycle before

1 Cycle, Test E 500mg per week, for 10 weeks + Winstrol finisher, 50mg ED

^Let alone when was this cycle done. Really you look like a big guy, why couldn't you wait till 25 like everyone should?

[starvin-marvin]

I started with AAS because I'm extremely curious about it.
And tbh, it was a pain in the ass watching all the party-boys around me get better results, when they were eating McDonalds, partying several times per week, and skipping workouts.

While I have dedicated my life to workingout and eating right. I only drink alcohol at new years eve, and also I'm going for personal trainer education next year.

I know, I'm still young, but I justify it to myself, by doing everything right! (Hopefully)

About my last cycle:

Next week is my last week for PCT from this cycle, so it was a recent cycle =)

I gained 27 lbs in this 10 week period, and haven't lost anything, yet.
My fat% at the end of the cycle was 11,6. So it was lean mass.
Since I used aromasin, and lowered estrogen, I didn't get any feeling of being "ON", so when I started my PCT, my mood didn't change at all. And either did my workouts.
I didn't get any acne, and that was weird because I've been troubled with acne my whole life.
The only side effect that I noticed was lethargy the first week, and some hair loss in the start, and in the end when I added winstrol.

[marcus300]

In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[starvin-marvin]

I appreciate the reply Marcus, I really do =)

You're right about the age and development, but in my case about the diet and training. Its pretty much flawless.

I've been studying nutrition for 6 years now, and I have experienced with my own body, to figure out what works for me in this time. With this I have completely transformed my body.

But yes, I admit, its early.

My free testo was very low tho, before I touched AAS. :/
I think I have a very active conversion to DHT.