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    Winstrol effects????

    Can any tell me effects I would see from using winstrol ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman22 View Post
    Can any tell me effects I would see from using winstrol??
    After two cycles with Winstrol , I will probably never touch it again. It is not the mildest drug. I rather bought Chinese Anavar for few bucks and now I can achieve the same gains with zero visible side effects.

    Frankly, if run alone, Winstrol will give you mainly strength and hardness. Don't expect that you would become Arnold overnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman22 View Post
    Can any tell me effects I would see from using winstrol??
    Read the profile T. posted, and why don't you tell us more about yourself so we can help you:

    age?
    height?
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    bf%?
    training experience?

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    and if you take winny, you need a testosterone , most probly prop for your cutting desires or if you want strength then enthanate or cyp is good.

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    Winny is best as a cutter IMO. For the hardening affect late in prep. After 3-4 weeks my joints hurt so bad I can hardly lift. I now substitute masteron for hardening. No sides for me on masteron.

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    winny,masteron ,will harden you up

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    Winstrol with milk thistle ...good or bad???

    I have been told that milk thistle would help protect my liver when taking winstrol is this true??

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    Help me!!!!!!

    Hi I'm 21 years old 5ft 9 and 13st 2lb/ 184 pound. I am wanting to make some good fast gains but aren't really sure what I should take, I would prefer to begin with oral steroids first any comments are appreciated.

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    Most will advise you that you are too young. Your test levels are naturally high right now plus you are not growing.
    I'm sure Marcus will be happy to add to this and better explain why you should not.

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    ya im sure he's got his speech on copy and paste format. but its a good speech

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    Ok but when is old enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RANA View Post
    Most will advise you that you are too young. Your test levels are naturally high right now plus you are not growing.
    I'm sure Marcus will be happy to add to this and better explain why you should not.
    ...x2

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    almost everyone on here will agree that 25 is the minimum age and that is only if your training and diet are up to par

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    about 24 and up

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotimus View Post
    ya im sure he's got his speech on copy and paste format. but its a good speech
    Same questions get asked the same answer gets told, nothing changes!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jman22 View Post
    Hi I'm 21 years old 5ft 9 and 13st 2lb/ 184 pound. I am wanting to make some good fast gains but aren't really sure what I should take, I would prefer to begin with oral steroids first any comments are appreciated.
    In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

    Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

    Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

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    Thanks guys, any advice on workoutplans or excersises I can do to increase chances if bulking naturally?

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    ^wise decision to hold off on the gear. Building quality muscle takes time.

    There's a whole training and diet forums here.

    Read the stickies, and ask question when they come up.

    Good luck.

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    14 y/os shouldnt ever use gear.
    read the stickies.

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    I pulled up 21.

    Still no go.

    Sorry bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman22 View Post
    I have been told that milk thistle would help protect my liver when taking winstrol is this true??
    Milk thistle is good to run when using oral AAS.

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    Advice needed!!

    Yoo guys I'm planning onrunning some winstrol 10mg tabs along with some milk thistle to protect my liver, this a good idea?? Any advice appreciated cheers guys

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    Not the best idea.

    why don't you tell us more about yourself so we can help you:

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    Why is this not a good idea?
    I'm 27 5ft 10, 190 lbs and have been training since I was 16.

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    approximate body fat?

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    12% Maybe slighty lower

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    Maybe as an oral to start out a 500mg EW Test E cycle. (If its your first cycle) cycle history?

    10 mgs of winstrol per day will do little or nothing positive. Your body produces 50mg of free test a week. After a few weeks of 10mg of winstrol ED you will shut your natural production down.

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    I mean each tab is 10mg I will be taking 5-6 tab a day

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    winny only is a pretty poor cycle. I'm not opposed to all oral only cycles, but definitely am not a fan of winny only.

    I've known people who have done them, and it worked out for them, but that's just my opinion on it.

    It's not the best idea, because like PharmDoc said, it will shut down your natural test production and the effects of low test in males are not that fun.

    what exactly are your goals?

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    I want to maintain muscle which I have whilst dieting and shedding some stubborn belly fat To achieve a 6 pack

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    winny doesn't actually burn fat. it will harden up muscles when you're already at a low body fat by reducing sub-q water

    You should look into a simple test cycle for your first run.

    you can easily cut on it with the right diet and cardio, while the test will help preserve your muscle.

    here you go: Test beginner cycle info

    And you'll need to read about your pct, as well:
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581

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    Great advice D7M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman22 View Post
    Hi I'm 21 years old 5ft 9 and 13st 2lb/ 184 pound. I am wanting to make some good fast gains but aren't really sure what I should take, I would prefer to begin with oral steroids first any comments are appreciated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jman22 View Post
    Why is this not a good idea?
    I'm 27 5ft 10, 190 lbs and have been training since I was 16.
    I merged your lies-oops I mean threads for you...

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    haha...nice catch, Big.

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    Well it's not really that bad Big. I mean he grew an inch and put on 6lbs in 3 weeks, it's difficult but not unheard. I still can't figure out the 6 years of age unless he might have spent some days inside a time chamber where one day outside equals a year inside. Kinda like an old cartoon favorite of mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    I merged your lies-oops I mean threads for you...
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    haha some people

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    Quote Originally Posted by D7M View Post
    winny doesn't actually burn fat. it will harden up muscles when you're already at a low body fat by reducing sub-q water
    What would you suggest along with cardio and diet to help lose faster. I always thought that winny was the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wnt2grow View Post
    What would you suggest along with cardio and diet to help lose faster. I always thought that winny was the way to go.
    please start your own thread

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    BTW started a cycle back in feb of 09 only did 5 weeks, I know, long story.The cycle was Omna 250 twice a week.I am 40 yrs old been training about 3 years train a while ago for 2 years, I have been on and off want to get a little more serious now. 6' 239lbs guessing 22% bf started taking test e 300mg/ml on sunday night and thursday morning plus 50 mg winny everyday.Strength has went up but not much weight loss. Try to eat clean but hard getting better though the cycle.Any thoughts or help appreciated.

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