Am I ready for Tren?

[RANA]

I have been reading so many threads on Tren each week. It seems to be the same questions over and over again. Tren can be less harsh if you follow a few basic rules, some of these rules can vary for each individual, for example the dosage you’re taking.

1.) This is not made for your first cycle!!! At least have 3-4 cycles under your belt and at least one with short esters so that you know you are able to inject in numerous areas.

2.) Use Tren A for your first time so if the sides are too extreme you can have it flushed out of your system within a few days, if you use Tren E it can take up to two weeks for the sides to dissipate.

3.) Run test with it, never run it alone. If you run it alone it will shut you down and you could (I said could, not it will happen) permanently shut yourself down.

4.) Have Caber or Bromo on hand, I can guarantee you will want one of these two on hand, this for you prolactin levels and should be taken at the begining of your cycle until you’re done.

5.) You should inject Tren A ED, the reason for this it will help keep you sides down and it will keep you blood levels stable. I know a few that have ran it EOD and changed to ED and there sides had decreased.

These last two are personal choices that have worked for me and others, they are not carved in stone but it’s a tool for your bag.

1.) Run your test lower then your tren, you are taking tren to get the results from that and the test is run so that don’t permanently shut yourself down. I know a few Vets that run there test equal or higher, this is personal choice and something you will have to play with.

2.) I like to stop Tren a week before I stop my test, I mainly do this so that tren is totally out of my system before I stop my test and start my PCT.

If people disagree with anything or have better suggestions please let me know here

[Loaded61]

good post!

[dec11]

good post

[TITANIUM]

Solid Bro.

Best

T

[charlesriley]

nice

[DEE151]

my first cycle was tren and it was amazing. i dont know about every one els but i will speak for my self. for my first cycle of tren i never saw or had or notice ANY sides effects that ppl talk about. i am on my 5th cycle right now but i have done TREN 2 times and both times were great. this is one steroid that gives amazing results fast. both times i did it i saw results in as little as 3 to 4 weeks.

[Hate Being Small]

great post testostrone here i come

[THE TANK 81]

Great post, Great info I do have a question though if you do start out with tren a and your good to go with no harsh sides say after a week or 2 is it ok to switch to tren e for the rest of the cycle ???? or is that not long enough to make sure of all the side effects ??

[RANA]

Great post, Great info I do have a question though if you do start out with tren a and your good to go with no harsh sides say after a week or 2 is it ok to switch to tren e for the rest of the cycle ???? or is that not long enough to make sure of all the side effects ??

Yes you can but realize that you're going from a short to long ester and it will take a while before longer ester kicks in. 2 weeks in long enough to know if the sides are too bad

[Kale]

Good advice Rana, what of the better ones I have read on Tren I must say

[RANA]

Good advice Rana, what of the better ones I have read on Tren I must say

Thanks Kale and T, that means a lot coming from you guys.
I have to admit I am in love with tren!

[Kale]

Thanks Kale and T, that means a lot coming from you guys.
I have to admit I am in love with tren!

Yeah I has some fun with it as well. I did a test Prop, NPP and Tren A cycle once. It was fun but nasty

[gymnerd]

I have been reading so many threads on Tren each week. It seems to be the same questions over and over again. Tren can be less harsh if you follow a few basic rules, some of these rules can vary for each individual, for example the dosage you’re taking.

1.) This is not made for your first cycle!!! At least have 3-4 cycles under your belt and at least one with short esters so that you know you are able to inject in numerous areas. Totally agree.

2.) Use Tren A for your first time so if the sides are too extreme you can have it flushed out of your system within a few days, if you use Tren E it can take up to two weeks for the sides to dissipate. Some will have terrible sides with ace and none with enanthate also it take two wks for the compound to completely clear the system not sides, hate this suggestion.

3.) Run test with it, never run it alone. If you run it alone it will shut you down and you could (I said could, not it will happen) permanently shut yourself down. Many reasons to run test but,Test does absolutely nothing to prevent permanent shut down.


4.) Have Caber or Bromo on hand, I can guarantee you will want one of these two on hand, this for you prolactin levels and should be taken at the being of your cycle until you’re done. Controlling estro levels will do more to prevent gyno than either or prami.


5.) You should inject Tren A ED, the reason for this it will help keep you sides down and it will keep you blood levels stable. I know a few that have ran it EOD and changed to ED and there sides had decreased. Which is why Enanthate is a better choice to begin with,.


These last two are personal choices that have worked for me and others, they are not carved in stone but it’s a tool for your bag.

1.) Run your test lower then your tren, you are taking tren to get the results from that and the test is run so that don’t permanently shut yourself down. I know a few Vets that run there test equal or higher, this is personal choice and something you will have to play with. Complete bro science.

2.) I like to stop Tren a week before I stop my test, I mainly do this so that tren is totally out of my system before I stop my test and start my PCT. That really depend on the esters used.

If people disagree with anything or have better suggestions please let me know here

I think most or all replies are generic, bro science just my .002

[stpete]

Nice post. But tren probably wouldn't shut you down 'permanetely' if used alone. It will put a hurting on you during cycle, but you will come back to normal. I ran it by itself back in 2003 and 2004 and had good gains but was totally drained and couldn't get w/ a girl if my life depended on it. So running w/ test is a must imo.

I run my test higher than the tren.

[TITANIUM]

I think most or all replies are generic, bro science just my .002

There is Science, and there is Experience.

Rana is speaking from both, especially Experience.

There is no substitute for experience.

Knowing how to use them both together is key.

I feel he has done this exceptionally well.

Best

T

[RANA]

I appreciate your opinions but on some of your replies.

I.E. regarding #2 and the sides. By having tren in your system this will contribute to your sides. There is no exact time when the sides will stop after your last injections but it would more then likely continue if it's still in your system. They may fade as time passes

I would have to disagree regarding #3, I have not ran tren by itself and I won't but having spoken to numerous individuals that have tren by itself has totally shut them down. I would not risk taking tren without test and to give advise to someone that has not ran tren is not fare to them. Why take a chance?

Regarding #5, why? When running tren A and you need to stop it's much easier with a short ester then a long ester. If someone is running Tren E and 4 weeks into if the sides are unbarable and you want to stop it will take a while before they do.

Part two of my thread:
Regarding #1 - "Complete bro science" I'm not sure what this means?

Regarding #2 - In my statement it pertains to Tren A

There is Science, and there is Experience.

Rana is speaking from both, especially Experience.

There is no substitute for experience.

Knowing how to use them both together is key.

I feel he has done this exceptionally well.

Best

T

Thanks, this is by my experience and numerous interviews with Vets that have ran Tren

[D7M]

Great write up, Rana. I completely agree with it.

The thing about running test with tren is even an HRT dose of test will keep your sense of well being and especially your libido going while on tren.

[THE TANK 81]

Yes you can but realize that you're going from a short to long ester and it will take a while before longer ester kicks in. 2 weeks in long enough to know if the sides are too bad

so say after 2 weeks you decide to switch to tren e would you still carry tren a say a week after first injection of tren e since it takes a while to kick in.

[stpete]

RANA - If you're referring to my post about running tren alone i agree. I would never advise anyone to run tren without test. I was just speaking from personal experience. But, there have been several people who have posted their cycle's on this very forum and tren was ran alone. But they didn't share that info till the cycle was over for obvious reasons. And if i remember correctly, those cycles never went over 8 weeks. I'm going to try to find them.
D7M...Maybe i've done too much juice in my time, and i probably have. haha...But a maitenance dose of test just doesn't work for me. I tried 250mgs ew and i was still exhausted and needed to take a freakin nap in the afternoon and in bed at 9pm. I took more vitamins, constantly changed my diet etc,etc, and nothing worked. When i upped my test everything changed. I still had some insomnia and night sweats but when i went to the gym i was a crazy man. And my old lady was happy to have me back.
Tren's a nasty little bitch but i love it. Through trial and error i now know how to run it and wouldn't trade it for anything.

[bjpennnn]

I think i am going to run tren with mast and prop, but i am scarred i have ran it b4 but i remember terrible night sweats but i was 19 running it with deca 800m test ew winni d ball and whatever else i could get my hands on. What do you feel is the biggest side effect of tren? Is there any way to not have night sweats? ps i grew tits faster then muscle on that cycle lol. Another reason I am kinda iffy about it dont want gyno.

[ranging1]

I think most or all replies are generic, bro science just my .002

to gym nerds suggestions to RANAS post

though acetate may take 2 weeks to clear ur system its a better option to run rather then the ethantahe versions, since if you were to discontinue using the acetate ester (if sides were to hard to handle) it would clear ur system faster then the ethanthate ester

if you were to opt for an ethantate ester and sides were to arise, its can take alot longer for the compound to clear the system, meaning the sides will continue for alot longer

agree the test does nothing to prevent shut down, but i think RANA was reffering to keeping ur sex drive alive and not shut down

though controlling estro does do more to prevent gyno, prolactin levels have been shown to elevate and worsen estorgenic side effects

contollling prolactin is vital to help prevent estorgenic side effects arising, using something to directly combat estrogenic side effects isnt effective if prolactin levels are promoting them

just take a look at a pregnant women, when their pregnant prolacin levels are high which promotes estrogenic side effects in them,


agree with ur complete bro science since it is, i think what needs to be adressed is why after discontinueing both test and tren at the end of ur cycle (which ever ester you choose), u should discontinue ur tren ester in a manner that will results in the tren clearing ur system faster then the testerone does

this would allow better recovery of the HPTA since tren is more suprresive then test, but also becuase if tren clears the body before the test it will allow for better recovery both physicaly and psycologicaly

reasons why is u will expereince less tren sides towards end of ur cycle

but also becuase if tren clears the system before testerone, once test levels fall below baseline the HPTA system can begin to recover on PCT since tren will not be suppressing it (hopefully)

if test levels fall below baseline BUT tren is still presently high in ur system the HPTA cannot recover, and u can be stuck suppressed with no sex drive and of course fina dick


also the use of shorter esters is better for PCT protocol, since the esters will clear the system faster

following a normal PCT protocol, dosages are higher of both nolva and clomid becuase they are helping to combat the rapid fall in androgens, aswell as huge estrogen levels, plus promote HPTA recovery

if longer esters are used this PCT protocol is incorrect for the first week or 2, becuase longer esters take longer to clear the system (halve lives), meaning the standard PCT protocol wouldnt work for it since in a time where ur using both nolvadex and clomid, ur still have above baseline hormones levels, meaning ur HPTA still isnt recovering

^^^^ but maybe PCT protocol is for another thread

what im addressing here is using shorter esters is better catered to the comman PCT protocols advised on this board

longer esters i think need to be catered for

[BJJ]

Thank you for sharing your experience and I agree with TITANIUM post n.15

[marcus300]

Nice post RANA,

I would have to disagree with running the test lower but thats from my personal experience of running this great combo.

Keep up the good work

[Mooseman33]

great read RANA..

thanks for the write up brother...

[RANA]

Remember guys, I’m not saying I am an expert when it comes to tren. My main reason for this post is people that have either done no research and want to jump right into tren or for others with a lot of knowledge to tell us your experiences good or bad. All this will do is help each and everyone of us. I am still learning everyday here and I only give my comments on compounds I have run.

RANA - If you're referring to my post about running tren alone i agree. I would never advise anyone to run tren without test. I was just speaking from personal experience. But, there have been several people who have posted their cycle's on this very forum and tren was ran alone. But they didn't share that info till the cycle was over for obvious reasons. And if i remember correctly, those cycles never went over 8 weeks. I'm going to try to find them.

Actually I was referring to gymnerd, I enjoy when people give there real world experience it helps all of us avoid those same mistakes.

I think i am going to run tren with mast and prop, but i am scarred i have ran it b4 but i remember terrible night sweats but i was 19 running it with deca 800m test ew winni d ball and whatever else i could get my hands on. What do you feel is the biggest side effect of tren? Is there any way to not have night sweats? ps i grew tits faster then muscle on that cycle lol. Another reason I am kinda iffy about it dont want gyno.

I can see where you got your sides, Deca and Tren together is a big NO NO. Everyone sides can vary, I had night sweats and insomnia but I also had a major increase in aggression. BJ with your experience now I thing you will be pleasantly surprise, a lot issue here is that individuals tend to jump into tren with very little research.

RANGING1 – nice addition!!!!

Nice post RANA,

I would have to disagree with running the test lower but thats from my personal experience of running this great combo.

Keep up the good work

Thanks.

Regarding the test dosage you are one of the reasons I stated that Vets like to run their test equal or higher.

[thebigfella]

could you go into more detail about the test dosage while on tren, i dont understand why the vets would run it higher or equal and you would run it lower

[RANA]

could you go into more detail about the test dosage while on tren, i dont understand why the vets would run it higher or equal and you would run it lower

This is based on personal experience and each way can work different for each individual.

When I run tren I am looking to get all my gains off of tren and as stated above test is run low for varies facts (my sex drive) and can help keep the sides down. Other vets like Dukkitlaw runs this the same way.

Now you have other vets like Marcus which run his higher with no negative effects.

This is something you need to play with, if you're looking to run it there are a couple ways to try it. You could always run them equal and if the sides get bad you could lower your test or lower your tren, you need to determine what works better on your body. My body works great with 100mg ED of Tren and either 50 or 75mg of prop.

[anabolic1979]

years ago i did a tren only cycle( the first time u used it) really harsh. i have tried with test after not as bad. I love results from tren i just get to angry and frustrated

[BG]

could you go into more detail about the test dosage while on tren, i don't understand why the vets would run it higher or equal and you would run it lower

If you run test it wont keep you from being shut down, but it will keep your sex drive up so you don't "Feel" shut down or suppressed, testosterone is suppressive compound itself.

From experience, lower test dosages greatly minimize the side effects, from estrogen/progesterone, aggressiveness to insomnia but......it does reduce the effects of the tren. A nice dosage of test/tren together makes you an animal, just depends if you can HANDLE IT.

[redz]

Tren is one hell of a drug though I keep hearing people can`t take the sides. I have almost no sides on Tren E upto 600mg/week. The only notable side is the night sweats which don`t affect my sleeping, I just keep a few spare shirts by the bed and change them and toss the old one and fall right back asleep. I personally have never tried tren ace, I went right to enanthate but I do understand the idea of trying ace first to see how the sides are, I guess I just got lucky.

[Critical Mass]

Good post. I find that when on tren I just dont give a fykk about nothing or no one. I will never touch that nasty drug again. thanks.

[tboney]

Great read Rana!

[chuckt12345]

test and tren is more suppresive to your system than tren alone, so in reality its easier to recover from a tren only cycle. Its just we need test to feel normal and keep the sex drive alive and thats why its added along with all other cycles (along with aas effects). If you can get away with running test at a low dose ie,the dk still works, then let the tren do all the work.
Other than that nice post

[corsa5000]

what sides are we talking about here? ive not read up much about tren..... it must be something more than baldness or gyno if people are using words like unbearable. What are these sides?

[C6Z06591RWHP]

great post

[RANA]

what sides are we talking about here? ive not read up much about tren..... it must be something more than baldness or gyno if people are using words like unbearable. What are these sides?

Most sides that people talk about or the ones I have experienced are as follows:

Insomnia
Night sweats
Crazy dreams (more vivid too)
More aggression
And the famous Tren cough, I have had minor encounters others have had very bad tren cough
There are more, so others feel free to add your sides

[Booz]

If you run test it wont keep you from being shut down, but it will keep your sex drive up so you don't "Feel" shut down or suppressed, testosterone is suppressive compound itself.

From experience, lower test dosages greatly minimize the side effects, from estrogen/progesterone, aggressiveness to insomnia but......it does reduce the effects of the tren. A nice dosage of test/tren together makes you an animal, just depends if you can HANDLE IT.

agreed mate...........

i like to run high dose test with tren and i do get sides from this but if you can handle it it is the shit...................

[Booz]

oh yeah great post RANA..................

i must say if you have never ran tren before it would be a wise choice to run the acetate ester before you try the enanthate as like others have statedides are too much you can drop it far quicker than the longer acting compound..................

[gymnerd]

I appreciate your opinions but on some of your replies.

I.E. regarding #2 and the sides. By having tren in your system this will contribute to your sides. There is no exact time when the sides will stop after your last injections but it would more then likely continue if it's still in your system. They may fade as time passes

I would have to disagree regarding #3, I have not ran tren by itself and I won't but having spoken to numerous individuals that have tren by itself has totally shut them down. I would not risk taking tren without test and to give advise to someone that has not ran tren is not fare to them. Why take a chance?

Regarding #5, why? When running tren A and you need to stop it's much easier with a short ester then a long ester. If someone is running Tren E and 4 weeks into if the sides are unbearable and you want to stop it will take a while before they do.

Part two of my thread:
Regarding #1 - "Complete bro science" I'm not sure what this means?

Regarding #2 - In my statement it pertains to Tren A



Thanks, this is by my experience and numerous interviews with Vets that have ran Tren

I was not contesting what you were saying it was the right answers to give or at least the most popular my point was just that alot of people deamonize tren enath and in reallity tren ace is stronger and is more difficult to keep blood levels stable etc the ONLY reason not to run enath for your first run with tren is because it does stay in your system longer than ace.

Now, I think that the sides with tren are over blown at least at normal doses I just ran Tren enthate n for my first run with tren and ran ace at the end I did EOD and ED and saw no difference between them and got more sides from the ace I dont have the experiance with the compound that some here do but I was just looking to give a different perspective. Can anyone remember anyone saying they ran enath for their first run and now the sides were killing them because its been two wks I have not seen it once.

I just think its easier for a beginer to keep levels stable with enanthate than ACE especially for someone who is not that experianced and does not want to do ED injections. Much respect

[fig]

Anyone with MPB running Tren? I know it's harsh on the hair but has anyone run it with Propecia, Avodart or Rogaine without much hairloss? I vaguely remember a post from RANA about Rogaine working well. I'd open a new thread but I think readers of this thread might be interested.