why not Tren A wks 1-4 like with Dbol

[lil-bit-SLIM]

umm this may be a stupid question but...why dont people use Tren A for 4 wks at the begining of a cycle similar to a dbol kickstart?

yes I know they are diff, but Tren A is more powerful and would be a bigger kickstart...and doesnt Ace start working right away rather than taking 2 wks like Tren E

[TITANIUM]

Tren A has the short ester, while tren E has a longer ester.

If you start tren E and get bad sides, it will take longer to clear your system.

Ace clears out quickly.

I would not jump a cycle with tren as a kicker.

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T

[lil-bit-SLIM]

I would not jump a cycle with tren as a kicker.

Yes...but WHY wouldnt you? and WHY dont other body builders?

I realize that this is'nt done by virtually anyone but why not?

[TITANIUM]

Yes...but WHY wouldnt you? and WHY dont other body builders?

I realize that this is'nt done by virtually anyone but why not?

The steroid was not designed for it.

Tren is a heavy hitter, just because it has a Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 500/500 doesn't mean it can be used this way.


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T

[Subotai]

Yes...but WHY wouldnt you? and WHY dont other body builders?

I realize that this is'nt done by virtually anyone but why not?

I'm no expert, but I feel like while d-bol just gets the ball rolling, stopping tren after just a kickstart would leave you.... I dunno how to put it.

It would have a drop-off, becuase its so powerful, that if you stopped so early the rest of your cycle would almost feel like not as good

[TITANIUM]

I don't know where people get ideas like this.

I suppose it is floating around on other boards or something.

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T

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I'm no expert, but I feel like while d-bol just gets the ball rolling, stopping tren after just a kickstart would leave you.... I dunno how to put it.

It would have a drop-off, becuase its so powerful, that if you stopped so early the rest of your cycle would almost feel like not as good

this is my line of thinking here. sounds like a good question though

[lil-bit-SLIM]

I didnt find this on another board...it just seemed like a good question!

"I'm no expert, but I feel like while d-bol just gets the ball rolling, stopping tren after just a kickstart would leave you.... I dunno how to put it.

It would have a drop-off, becuase its so powerful, that if you stopped so early the rest of your cycle would almost feel like not as good"

...I was kinda thinking this was the answer to my question, but I was thinking that the tren is so powerfull that it should always be followed direcly by PCT

[Spartans09]

I've not used tren but from my research you may get fina dick. If you are waiting for a long ester test to build up blood levels you may not have enought natty test in your system to work with the tren. Sounds like a fine line and a way to start a cycle on a crappy note.

[DS21]

I didnt find this on another board...it just seemed like a good question!

"I'm no expert, but I feel like while d-bol just gets the ball rolling, stopping tren after just a kickstart would leave you.... I dunno how to put it.

It would have a drop-off, becuase its so powerful, that if you stopped so early the rest of your cycle would almost feel like not as good"

...I was kinda thinking this was the answer to my question, but I was thinking that the tren is so powerfull that it should always be followed direcly by PCT

I guess you could look at it that way. But most people use a kicker with long esters. If you use tren ace as a kick start while you wait for your test to kick in you will completely lose your sex drive with in the first week. That is why I wouldn't do it or recommened it, I enjoy having sex

[Critical Mass]

I did it the first 4 weeks on one cycle with 500 test e,with test p.

My mistake was to shoot tren a and test p e3d. My dealer said that was enough.

[lil-bit-SLIM]

how long would you say it takes for a long ester to kick in?...certainly within the first 4 wks

[Spartans09]

Different for everyone. Most say 3-6 weeks. I frontload with cyp and usually feel it in 2-3 weeks.

[Critical Mass]

4-5 weeks.

[Test247]

I ran TREN-E at 375mg for 5.5 weeks. It was all I could handle. Extreme sweats, agression, irritability. However I was STRONG A HELL. Running test/deca with it.

[JinNtonic]

Well You use long esters so you dont have to pin as much, you use Dbol to kickstart because the long esters take about 4 weeks to kick in. If you used Tren Ace to kick start you would have to pin at least EOD if not ED. IMO making the the long ester pointless...

My uneducated guess...

[RANA]

I ran TREN-E at 375mg for 5.5 weeks. It was all I could handle. Extreme sweats, agression, irritability. However I was STRONG A HELL. Running test/deca with it.

So you're are running deca and tren together?

[Test247]

Yes I have run them together. I am not right now.

[bjpennnn]

Yes I have run them together. I am not right now.

you will grow tits faster then muscle with these two my friend.

[Test247]

your right. I ran arimidex .5 ED and 40mg tamox daily and came out just fine and I am gyno prone. Ive had it a few times.

[RANA]

Yes I have run them together. I am not right now.

I would never run these two compounds together, I do know a few vets that love to run them together but more that wouldn't. I would never recommend this cycle to anyone, but thats just me

[Test247]

Im not the only one, others here suggested it to me and I gave it a try. Just gotta be on top of the gyno. It will kill your dick for sure though.