ultimate mass cycle

**ricky23** · 12-31-2009, 02:54 PM

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**laduem88** · 12-31-2009, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by ricky23

hi everyone, i feel that most of us who started cycling steroids all share the same goal - to gain incredible mass and strength. i've heard different opinions on what would contribute to the ultimate mass cycle so i thought i'd raise the topic. im personally taking 750mg sus 400mg deca weekly and 40mg dbol daily - would half dbol combined with anadrol work better - ive read that halving both the dosages that would be used separately but combining them would yield ultimate results. also recommended by a bb pro was the use of a 24 week cycle but divided into 3 parts i.e -

1st 8 weeks: test and dbol/anadrol
2nd 8 weeks: sus and deca
3rd 8 weeks: another form of test and eq

or would a shorter cycle work better - i like the way ronnie rowlands approach sounds - 8 weeks reload and 2 weeks deload - training, steroids and diet fitted into both periods.

anyones opinions and experiences would be very appreciated.
(considering the compounds general effectiveness rather than other variables such as stats )
thanks.

1. 24 weeks is a very long cycle
2. dbol/drol for 8 weeks is too long
3.why would you switch from test to sus to another form of test instead of sticking to one form of test
4. if your set on doing a 24 week cycle why not run EQ all the way through
5. STATS!

**c-Z** · 12-31-2009, 03:07 PM

24 weeks? WTF? Stats for sure along with cycle experience. This makes no sense?

**ricky23** · 12-31-2009, 03:12 PM

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**c-Z** · 12-31-2009, 03:19 PM

IDK what your talking about second question or w.e... but that cycle is a joke.

**TITANIUM** · 12-31-2009, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by ricky23

hi everyone, i feel that most of us who started cycling steroids all share the same goal - to gain incredible mass and strength. i've heard different opinions on what would contribute to the ultimate mass cycle so i thought i'd raise the topic. im personally taking 750mg sus 400mg deca weekly and 40mg dbol daily - would half dbol combined with anadrol work better - ive read that halving both the dosages that would be used separately but combining them would yield ultimate results. also recommended by a bb pro was the use of a 24 week cycle but divided into 3 parts i.e -

1st 8 weeks: test and dbol/anadrol
2nd 8 weeks: sus and deca
3rd 8 weeks: another form of test and eq

or would a shorter cycle work better - i like the way ronnie rowlands approach sounds - 8 weeks reload and 2 weeks deload - training, steroids and diet fitted into both periods.

anyones opinions and experiences would be very appreciated.
(considering the compounds general effectiveness rather than other variables such as stats )
thanks.

What are your stats????

OK, you shouldn't run d-bol with drol together.

Liver transplants are exspensive.

The cycle is extremley long.

I would run the cycle for 12 wks.

Run the EQ for 6 wks at the end of the cycle.

Best

T

**laduem88** · 12-31-2009, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by TITANIUM

What are your stats????

OK, you shouldn't run d-bol with drol together.

Liver transplants are exspensive.

The cycle is extremley long.

I would run the cycle for 12 wks.

Run the EQ for 6 wks at the end of the cycle.

Best

T

i heard dbol /drol work great together running both at medium doses

**TITANIUM** · 12-31-2009, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by laduem88

i heard dbol/drol work great together running both at medium doses

Yes, they do work together, BUT, running two 17's together is VERY taxing on the liver.

Plus , all the other gear on top of it.

This is my opinion from research, and even at a low dose, put together, why not just run one of them.

It's just a jump start for the most part in the OP's presented cycle.

The biggest mis-conception I see on the forum is members adding more gear than needed, and that sometimes makes the cycles unsafe.

Best

T

**laduem88** · 12-31-2009, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by TITANIUM

Yes, they do work together, BUT, running two 17's together is VERY taxing on the liver.

Plus , all the other gear on top of it.

This is my opinion from research, and even at a low dose, put together, why not just run one of them.

It's just a jump start for the most part in the OP's presented cycle.

The biggest mis-conception I see on the forum is members adding more gear than needed, and that sometimes makes the cycles unsafe.

Best

T

true, regardless OP's cycle sucks. OP keep it simple

**Critical Mass** · 12-31-2009, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by TITANIUM

What are your stats????

OK, you shouldn't run d-bol with drol together.

Liver transplants are exspensive.

The cycle is extremley long.

I would run the cycle for 12 wks.

Run the EQ for 6 wks at the end of the cycle.

Best

T

Care to elaborate on this statement? I thought 12 weeks is minimum with EQ.

To OP: 2 reloads with 2 deloads is long enough(20 weeks).
Ask Ronnie! He knows best.

**Theundertaker** · 12-31-2009, 06:04 PM

Be careful with those orals brother. None of us are immortal and the liver is A damn important organ.

If I were going to change it up every few weeks like that I would use test-e, test-c or test prop, 1 oral and either deca , tren or eq.

1st 4 weeks test-e and d-bol
2nd 4 weeks test-p and deca
3rd 4 weeks test-p, and tren

Try that.

6 months straight with that much juice is enough to make A belgium blue OX sterile!

**laduem88** · 12-31-2009, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Theundertaker

Be careful with those orals brother. None of us are immortal and the liver is A damn important organ.

If I were going to change it up every few weeks like that I would use test-e, test-c or test prop, 1 oral and either deca , tren or eq.

1st 4 weeks test-e and d-bol
2nd 4 weeks test-p and deca
3rd 4 weeks test-p, and tren

Try that.

6 months straight with that much juice is enough to make A belgium blue OX sterile!

now whats the point of doing that? seems even worse than the original

**THE TANK 81** · 12-31-2009, 06:14 PM

[QUOTE=laduem88;5007336]now whats the point of doing that? seems even worse than the original[/QUOTE

I dont like it either. you would be getting off of deca right as its starting to build up and kick in. Same with the tren if its the long ester.

**Theundertaker** · 12-31-2009, 06:20 PM

Always works for me and I'm not A little guy. But.... just because it works for me does'nt mean it will work for him. I do always try to get one form of test in my cycles but I must say that for the whole 12 weeks I stay with the same 2 or 3 compounds... I'm just not sure if changing up after 8 weeks is gonna do much good.. It would be nice to hear from someone who has tried it though..

**Theundertaker** · 12-31-2009, 06:22 PM

Very good point tank.

**Theundertaker** · 12-31-2009, 06:29 PM

Patients and finding what works for YOU seems to go alot further than anything. I just cant see doing A 6 month cycle and being able to keep more than 50% of the gains versus A 4 month cycle and keeping 90% thats all.

**Test247** · 12-31-2009, 06:57 PM

this is all ****ed up... do some reading... Sorry but you seriously need to run all compounds with long esters the entire time. I LOVE long cycles, really solidifies muscles though. Im all for 24weeks.