tren a first time

**lucerfa** · 12-31-2009, 05:52 PM

hi there

gonna use tren for the first time

firstly some stats

age 24
15stone 3 lbs
height 5' 10"
not sure on body fat but relatively low
training since high school
have used sust, test e, test p, winstrol , d-bol, deca , clen , t3

my plan is to keep the test dose low so to let the tren do the work. . . . although the tren dose is quite low too. so heres what i have in mind . . .

weeks 1-10 test p 40mg pd
weeks 1-9 tren a 50mg pd
weeks 6-10 winstrol 50mg pd / masteron 50mg pd (not yet decided)
nolva 10mg eod
clomid 25mg eod

pct starts day after last prop shot

nolva 40/30/20/10
clomid 100/75/50/25

am also considering taking clen 2 weeks on 2 off from the start but am hesitating cause i want to see what the effect the tren has

please let me know what you guys think

**Critical Mass** · 12-31-2009, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by lucerfa

hi there

gonna use tren for the first time

firstly some stats

age 24
15stone 3 lbs
height 5' 10"
not sure on body fat but relatively low
training since high school
have used sust, test e, test p, winstrol , d-bol, deca , clen , t3

my plan is to keep the test dose low so to let the tren do the work. . . . although the tren dose is quite low too. so heres what i have in mind . . .

weeks 1-10 test p 40mg pd
weeks 1-9 tren a 50mg pd
weeks 6-10 winstrol 50mg pd / masteron 50mg pd (not yet decided)
nolva 10mg eod
clomid 25mg eod

pct starts day after last prop shot

nolva 40/30/20/10
clomid 100/75/50/25

am also considering taking clen 2 weeks on 2 off from the start but am hesitating cause i want to see what the effect the tren has

please let me know what you guys think

No,dont do that.

Looks decent the rest tho.

How many cycles have you done?

**lucerfa** · 12-31-2009, 06:07 PM

have done a few. the first was . . . .wait for it . . . .deca only at 300mg and d-bol 20mg for 6 weeks. have since learnt from that. next was sust at 500mgs for 10 weeks and d-bol at 35mg for 4 weeks. then test e 500mg for 10 weeks and d-bol 40 mg for 4 weeks, then test p 100mg pd for 10 weeks and d-bol first 4 weeks at 40 mg and winny for last 4 weeks at 50 mg pd . . . .i looved that cycle.

why do you suggest i dont do the comid and nolva on cycle? i thought mit would be good for side affects. or do you think i should look at armidex?

really appreciate your advice

**RANA** · 12-31-2009, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by lucerfa

hi there

gonna use tren for the first time

firstly some stats

age 24
15stone 3 lbs
height 5' 10"
not sure on body fat but relatively low
training since high school
have used sust, test e, test p, winstrol , d-bol, deca , clen , t3

my plan is to keep the test dose low so to let the tren do the work. . . . although the tren dose is quite low too. so heres what i have in mind . . .

weeks 1-10 test p 40mg pd
weeks 1-9 tren a 50mg pd
weeks 6-10 winstrol 50mg pd / masteron 50mg pd (not yet decided)
nolva 10mg eod
clomid 25mg eod

pct starts day after last prop shot
nolva 40/30/20/10
clomid 100/75/50/25

am also considering taking clen 2 weeks on 2 off from the start but am hesitating cause i want to see what the effect the tren has
please let me know what you guys think

Why would you run nolva and clomid during your cycle?
Your PCT is off so is your pct start time.
Why are you going to pyrimid your PCT? Not needed
I wouldn't run clen with your first go with tren.

Your very young to have that many cycles!
What were your previous cycles?

**TITANIUM** · 12-31-2009, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by RANA

Why would you run nolva and clomid during your cycle?
Your PCT is off so is your pct start time.
Why are you going to pyrimid your PCT? Not needed
I wouldn't run clen with your first go with tren .

Your very young to have that many cycles!
What were your previous cycles?

PCT starts 3 days after last injection,in this case.
PCT belongs in PCT.
Running an AI is what you want to do.
Rana is correct, I would run clen after this cycle, not with it.
I'm curious also as to your cycles.
More so, what does your blood work look like?

Best

T

**Critical Mass** · 12-31-2009, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by lucerfa

have done a few. the first was . . . .wait for it . . . .deca only at 300mg and d-bol 20mg for 6 weeks. have since learnt from that. next was sust at 500mgs for 10 weeks and d-bol at 35mg for 4 weeks. then test e 500mg for 10 weeks and d-bol 40 mg for 4 weeks, then test p 100mg pd for 10 weeks and d-bol first 4 weeks at 40 mg and winny for last 4 weeks at 50 mg pd . . . .i looved that cycle.

why do you suggest i dont do the comid and nolva on cycle? i thought mit would be good for side affects. or do you think i should look at armidex?

really appreciate your advice

Ari would be better imo. Serms is for pct.

Awesome first cycle lol classic.

**lucerfa** · 01-01-2010, 06:27 AM

thank you all for your help.

my objective as to running the clomid and nolva was to combat estrogen sides. but will drop that now. i have already listed my cycles.

what do you suggest for pct? something more like

clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

thank you for setting me straight on the pct start time. it was suggested to me that starting it the day after would build up levels so to catch the estrogen as soon as the test is out of my system. but will start 3 days after.

what do you guys think about the winny/mast. any advice on which one or should i drop it altogether?

many thanks

**hankdiesel** · 01-01-2010, 08:17 AM

What is pd? Probably every day?

**sigman roid** · 01-01-2010, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

What is pd? Probably every day?

I think he means per day hank

**Theundertaker** · 01-01-2010, 09:27 AM

Umm, 15 stone 3 pounds is 213 right? just wanted to get that out of the way..

Seriously I have had real good luck cutting up with just A low dose of test-p and high dose of tren -A. I have never used winny so I am interested to see how it goes. It might speed the process up but I personally would be worried about loosing precious muscle.

Steady as she goes mate, that works best for me. If it works well though I will throw sum winny in there next cutting cycle.

**RANA** · 01-01-2010, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by lucerfa

thank you all for your help.

my objective as to running the clomid and nolva was to combat estrogen sides. but will drop that now. i have already listed my cycles.

what do you suggest for pct? something more like

clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

thank you for setting me straight on the pct start time. it was suggested to me that starting it the day after would build up levels so to catch the estrogen as soon as the test is out of my system. but will start 3 days after.

what do you guys think about the winny/mast. any advice on which one or should i drop it altogether?

many thanks

PCT looks fine now.
Regarding which one to drop it guess it would have to be a personal choice. Winny and Mast will do just about the same thing but with winny your joints will be really dry, since you have not ran Mast I would stick with winny so if you develop sides with tren you know its from tren and not mast.

**LVMYASS** · 01-02-2010, 04:32 PM

Im currently in the 2nd week of almost the exact same cycle.TnT with a T Bol kick start.I also keep the tren doses a lil bit higher than test for the same resons u pointed and im gonna finish with some winny.Im not gonna use Nolva at all though.Im running adex during the cycle and Aromasin in the PCT.Also HCG starts at week 4 til the beggining of the PCT.using nolva in conjunction with 19nors (tren) is not the best idea. 19nors are progestins, therefore they increase PgR receptors in breast tissues. Nolvadex , being an estrogen, binds to progesterone receptors, which raises the possibility for a nipple tumor growth.