Please help with cycle order

**desant89** · 01-04-2010, 01:21 PM

Ok, I have been reading tons of info on here for a while now. IN the past I have done Sustanon only cycles with great results in power, and weight gain. Looking for something different. Here is my gear:

Clen +T3 (Not going to use the T3 as I heard some things I am not liking)
56 Win tabs (50mg)
10cc Dec
20CC Sus
Clomid+Nolvadex (Liquid) I have the PCT down, just not sure when to do it.

For the ABS, I was going to do 1 sus, and 1 Deca on Mondays, and then 1 Sus on Thursdays for 10 weeks.

Now I am confused as to when to start the Clen, and Winny. I am going to be starting the ABS in 2 weeks. SHould I start the Clen now? When do I start the Winny, After the ABS cycle? Lastly, when do I begin the PCT.

I am 6'3, 255. Not sure about BF. 36yrs old. Getting lean while retaining muscle is my plan. I am on a strict diet. I lift 3x a week, and do cardio 3x a week. Thanks in Advance!

**desant89** · 01-04-2010, 02:14 PM

Anyone?

**PistolStarta** · 01-04-2010, 02:22 PM

been less than an hour, and thats in indepth cycle. Give it time for some vets to hit in here.

**desant89** · 01-04-2010, 04:38 PM

Bump

**desant89** · 01-04-2010, 05:06 PM

Can anyone let me know if there is something missing in my post. I really want to get this nailed down. I am hoping I should start the Clen now, but I want to be sure. I then need to know the order and duration for the rest. Thanks!

***D7M*** · 01-04-2010, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by desant89

Ok, I have been reading tons of info on here for a while now. IN the past I have done Sustanon only cycles with great results in power, and weight gain. Looking for something different. Here is my gear:

Clen +T3 (Not going to use the T3 as I heard some things I am not liking)
56 Win tabs (50mg)
10cc Dec
20CC Sus
Clomid+Nolvadex (Liquid) I have the PCT down, just not sure when to do it.

For the ABS, I was going to do 1 sus, and 1 Deca on Mondays, and then 1 Sus on Thursdays for 10 weeks.

Now I am confused as to when to start the Clen, and Winny. I am going to be starting the ABS in 2 weeks. SHould I start the Clen now? When do I start the Winny, After the ABS cycle? Lastly, when do I begin the PCT.

I am 6'3, 255. Not sure about BF. 36yrs old. Getting lean while retaining muscle is my plan. I am on a strict diet. I lift 3x a week, and do cardio 3x a week. Thanks in Advance!

Can you give us an approximate body fat%?

what is 1 sus and 1 deca? Even if that meant 1ml/cc that wouldn't tell us anything without knowing the concentration.

pct would start 18 days after the last shot of sust.

For the other questions, about when to use the clen and winny, no offense, but maybe you should spend some time researching and put together a cycle for critique.

**desant89** · 01-04-2010, 05:20 PM

1cc of 200 Deca , and 1CC of 250 sus on Monday.
1cc of 250 Sus on Thursday

I ma fine with that part. However, I never used Clen , or Winny Tabs. I am trying to figure out how to incorporate it into the above cycle. IE:

Do I do the first 3 weeks of Clen then start the above cycle, and do the other 3 weeks of Clen while still on the above cycle? Then start the PCT 18 days after the cycle?

Last thing is about the Winny tabs (50mg). Would you incorporate it into the mix at all? Maybe do it after the cycle during PCT?

I kind of know the cycle I want to do which is above, and I know how to do the PCT. Just don't know when to use the Clen, and if/when to incorporate the Winny tabs.

I am 6'3
255 lbs
I am guessing about 20% BF
3 days of weights, 3 days of Cardio

***D7M*** · 01-04-2010, 05:26 PM

If you're really 20%bf, you should really consider dropping some of that body fat before beginning your cycle (which means you might have to bump up that cardio). You'll have much, much better results.

While you're working on that, you can keep reading about the compounds you're interested in.

For the record, I would not take winny during pct.

You can run clen on cycle, but it might work better for you to using it leading up to the cycle while cutting body fat.

**burman** · 01-05-2010, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by desant89

Ok, I have been reading tons of info on here for a while now. IN the past I have done Sustanon only cycles with great results in power, and weight gain. Looking for something different. Here is my gear:

Clen +T3 (Not going to use the T3 as I heard some things I am not liking)
56 Win tabs (50mg)
10cc Dec
20CC Sus
Clomid+Nolvadex (Liquid) I have the PCT down, just not sure when to do it.

For the ABS, I was going to do 1 sus, and 1 Deca on Mondays, and then 1 Sus on Thursdays for 10 weeks.

Now I am confused as to when to start the Clen, and Winny. I am going to be starting the ABS in 2 weeks. SHould I start the Clen now? When do I start the Winny, After the ABS cycle? Lastly, when do I begin the PCT.

I am 6'3, 255. Not sure about BF. 36yrs old. Getting lean while retaining muscle is my plan. I am on a strict diet. I lift 3x a week, and do cardio 3x a week. Thanks in Advance!

what is ABS? do you mean AAS? i think so, anyway. you need to keep doing research, you are on the right track by reading the info on this site and asking questions but truthfully it is obvious that you are not very knowledgeable about steroids . PCT is very very important and you should do as much research on it as you do on the AAS. you should know right away that you do not have enough Deca for a cycle 10cc is not not even close. is the Sus you have 200mg/ml or 250mg/ml? if it's 200 then you are pushing the limit of a 10 week test cycle. you can add the winny around week 4 @ 40mg/day until week 8 (4 weeks) and then continue with the test until week 10. keep reading man knowledge is power it always has been.

**desant89** · 01-05-2010, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by burman

what is ABS? do you mean AAS? i think so, anyway. you need to keep doing research, you are on the right track by reading the info on this site and asking questions but truthfully it is obvious that you are not very knowledgeable about steroids. PCT is very very important and you should do as much research on it as you do on the AAS. you should know right away that you do not have enough Deca for a cycle 10cc is not not even close. is the Sus you have 200mg/ml or 250mg/ml? if it's 200 then you are pushing the limit of a 10 week test cycle. you can add the Winny around week 4 @ 40mg/day until week 8 (4 weeks) and then continue with the test until week 10. keep reading man knowledge is power it always has been.

I have been reading, and reading for a long long time. Prior to my other Sus cycles. I have a good understanding. I am very clear on the PCT. The only things I am not clear about, although I know a lot about them by themselves is the Clen , and the Winny. The Sus is 250 so I will be on 500mg a week. Just throwing the 200 deca in every week I figure should help a bit. I just did not know it if is a waste to throw the Winny into the mix, or wait until I am done with the test cycle. Here's my current plan:

Start Clen now, after the first 3 week cycle, I will start my Sus500/Deca 200 wk cycle. Once 3 weeks passes, I will do my second 3 week cycle of Clen while on the test. Does that sound good? The problem is, I don't know where to fit the Winny in for it to be most beneficial to me.

I am not being lazy, and looking for quick help. I have done TONS of research. I work in the IT field from home so I have nothing but time to research. Just when you put different things together, it is hard to nail down the proper cycle for me. Thanks!

**Big** · 01-05-2010, 10:10 AM

Winny at 20%bf would be a total waste.

**desant89** · 01-05-2010, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Big

Winny at 20%bf would be a total waste.

Thats what I was looking for. Is there a problem with doing the 3 weeks of Clen , then starting my Sus+Deca cycle while I start my 3 weeks off of Clen, then doing my second 3 weeks of Clen while on my cycle?

I can just hold on to my Winny tabs, and hopefully after the Clen, and cycle I may be down to 17 or less BF. THen maybe I can do the Winny. Thanks again!

**Big** · 01-05-2010, 11:45 AM

Winny aids in muscle "hardness", but against popular belief it does not burn fat. Personally I don't recommend winny for anyone over 10%bf, you will never see the results hidden by even moderate bf.
I've never used clen , I drop fat easily so I always cut via diet and cardio, so I'll leave the clen question for those who know more about it than I do.

**desant89** · 01-05-2010, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Big

Winny aids in muscle "hardness", but against popular belief it does not burn fat. Personally I don't recommend winny for anyone over 10%bf, you will never see the results hidden by even moderate bf.
I've never used clen, I drop fat easily so I always cut via diet and cardio, so I'll leave the clen question for those who know more about it than I do.

Thanks BIG. I think my cycle will be ok, I just have to get the Clen timing question answered now. Thanks again for responding.