My first cycle ever, PLEASE GIVE INSIGHT!!

[Cali_kid90]

this is my first cycle of anything ever.

Ive taken proteins and creatine NO shit like that.

the pills ill be taking are Equi bolix XTreme.
Its a prohormone and its compounds are.

epistate
2a 3a epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol 15 mg per serving, 1 capsule per serving, 3 capsules per day

Boldenone
1, 4-androstadiene-, 17-dione 50 mg per serving, 1 capsule per serving, capsules per day

that was all in one capsule ill be taking three times per day.
i will also be taking an estrogen blocker called estrofuse.
Both the products ill be taking are from exclusive pharmaceutical.
I was just trying to get some opinions.

I will also be taking protein shakes and glutamine pills.. Maybe N.O. Explode or naNO Vaporwith it. possibly even creatine.

i was also wondering how many calories i should be eating per day,
along with what to eat and what not to eat.

Im 19, i weigh 148 lbs and im 5'7"
My goal weight is to be a solid 165-170

should i stack another product with the equi bolix?
i was thinking about superdrol stacked with it, or just a test booster from GNC.

Or should i just do that as it is?
I hear the first cycle you take you see the most gains on, so i want to get as much gains as i can the first time around.
Thanks for the input guys, ill post a pictue of myself and the pills ill be taking.

Thanks,
Steven

[chuckt12345]

Steven,, Those prohormones are not to be taken lightly,, is some cases there stronger and harder on your system than legit steroids. Your very young and your hormonal system is still developing. Taking these PH's can cause long term side effects (sex drive is lowered, growth plates fused). I was a rail until i hit 22 23 yrs of age and my metabolism changed and then put on natural weight. Think long and hard before you decide to go ahead with this. Ive seen horror stories with these products. Just FYI

[Subotai]

Bro, look at my previous threads for my story.

Simply put, don't run any sort of drugs until you are well into your twenties.

When I was in highschool naturally I weighed 220, now, I can't even break 200. Do you want to have gyno, no sex drive, depression, insomnia, and a host of other medial issues in a few years?

I know looking back, I would have said no.
And the cycles I've ran were more mild than that one, plus I was already much bigger than you

[Cali_kid90]

well my friend was on a cycle of tren abolix, its tren with superdrol and he stacked it with another prohormone call 1t2 extreme.. He didnt get any side effects, nothing at all except monster gains. hes the same age as me but hes an inch or two taller and weighed 115, after his cycle he was at 130-135.

Ive graduated highschool already, and i recently went to the doctors,
and they did x rays and my growth plates were closed completely and they told me that i was done growing.

idk thanks for your input guys,
i really appreciate you looking ut for me.

But lets say im not 19 for a minute and say that im 22, is that a good stack?

[Cali_kid90]

Ive seen horror stories with these products. Just FYI

how bad of horror stories?

[dec11]

lol trena 'bolix'

[Cali_kid90]

lol trena 'bolix'

its tren abolix.

its by exclusive pharmaceuticals.
Same company that makes the stuff im gonna take.

and whats so funny? lol

[jaydream]

Steve

I work in the supplements industry a we have a rule to not sell pro-hormones to anyone under 21 we would rather lose the sale that see someone damage themselves. I have taken pro-hormones in the past and they are not to be taken lightly. There can be a lot of bad sides with them and you will still have to do a PCT. My last PCT was bad and I mean bad. All I wanted to do was sleep and hide away. My day at work was horrible I would just sit in the stockroom until I had to help someone. No sex drive and at your age that is the last thing you want.

If you were to come in to my shop my advice would be workout had have a low sugar intake, a good diet with lots of protein and good carbs and fats.

Supplements:
ZMA
Creatine
A good protein shake twice a day.

Jay

[Subotai]

well my friend was on a cycle of tren abolix, its tren with superdrol and he stacked it with another prohormone call 1t2 extreme.. He didnt get any side effects, nothing at all except monster gains. hes the same age as me but hes an inch or two taller and weighed 115, after his cycle he was at 130-135.

Ive graduated highschool already, and i recently went to the doctors,
and they did x rays and my growth plates were closed completely and they told me that i was done growing.

idk thanks for your input guys,
i really appreciate you looking ut for me.

But lets say im not 19 for a minute and say that im 22, is that a good stack?

Little acne side effects and water retention, whatever ect are nothing.

Imagine being 20 and unable to get an erection man, thats what you are risking. Not saying it is going to hapen, but it might.
At 22, I personally believe most people are ready.
Most people on this board say 24.
I would hold off for as long as possible, I wish I had waited until I was in my late twenties

[dec11]

its tren abolix.

its by exclusive pharmaceuticals.
Same company that makes the stuff im gonna take.

and whats so funny? lol

reads like bollocks lol,

[Cali_kid90]

reads like bollocks lol,

k i still dont see how its funny?

and basically what you guys are saying is not to do it?

im not going t get gyno or any low testasterone levels,
because ill be taking an estrogen blocker during my cycle,
then a test booster after my cycle to gain my natural tes back.

And to the guy who doesnt sell to under 21,
ive been working out for a year now,
eating the best i can taking protein and good supps,
and im tired of being scronny.

[dec11]

k i still dont see how its funny?

and basically what you guys are saying is not to do it?

im not going t get gyno or any low testasterone levels,
because ill be taking an estrogen blocker during my cycle,
then a test booster after my cycle to gain my natural tes back.

And to the guy who doesnt sell to under 21,
ive been working out for a year now,
eating the best i can taking protein and good supps,
and im tired of being scronny.

prob more of a UK/Irish thing, bollocks is slang for balls this part of the world and PH's aint that good

[MotoLifter]

time and patience man. without the proper base and knowledge you'll gain 20lbs and within afew month be back to your original weight.

but you didnt get the answer you were looking for and will probably do what you want anyway.

another testament to the fact that you are too young.


Moto

[dec11]

PH's are very toxic and cause more sides v results so not worth it, i can guarentee your diet isnt as good as you think

[Cali_kid90]

so basically im too young to take anything?

Even just a test booster?

[Vitruvian-Man]

k i still dont see how its funny?

and basically what you guys are saying is not to do it?

im not going t get gyno or any low testasterone levels,
because ill be taking an estrogen blocker during my cycle,
then a test booster after my cycle to gain my natural tes back.

And to the guy who doesnt sell to under 21,
ive been working out for a year now,
eating the best i can taking protein and good supps,
and im tired of being scronny.

Rude comments from myself. Sorry. Edit.

[Ernst]

I do feel your pain, I was a lot skinnier than you when I was your age. Seriously, a good diet and a nice workout program is all you need right now. If you want to add supplements so bad maybe a good whey protein, maybe some amino acids, and creatine. You've been working out consistently for a year? What were your stats previously?

[Cali_kid90]

ummm, thanks for calling me a little shit.
And i have a bad attitude?

and my stats before were,

18, 5'6" 112-120 lbs im sick of working my ass off and getting nothing back.

[dec11]

ummm, thanks for calling me a little shit.
And i have a bad attitude?

and my stats before were,

18, 5'6" 112-120 lbs im sick of working my ass off and getting nothing back.

dont worry about others bad attitudes. i was small too as a youngster, im now 240lbs @ 5'9. and guess what? i made it up 210lbs naturally thru diet and patience, if i can why cant you?

[MayTryIt]

Dont do it...you need to eat and work out like a mofo. Creatine and protein. Shit, I used to eat tacobell and all the good stuff...went from 155 to 180 lbs in 8 months when I was 19. Do compound workouts....dead lifts, squats, bench. It will come...dont hurt yourself with Pro-hormones.

[dec11]

Dont do it...you need to eat and work out like a mofo. Creatine and protein. Shit, I used to eat tacobell and all the good stuff...went from 155 to 180 lbs in 8 months when I was 19. Do compound workouts....dead lifts, squats, bench. It will come...dont hurt yourself with Pro-hormones.

^^^ x10

powerlifting routinue will soon fire you up

[Cali_kid90]

whats the bstway to build all around mass?

workouts wise.

[NMacFar]

Eat some damn food and get in the gym!!!!! You could do so much to your body by doing it the old fashioned way!

[breakbones]

you have a terrible attitude, and zero common sense. I suggest you smarten up immediately, and listen up.

Do not take those products, they will shut down your natural test. The products that you think will save you.. This over the counter anti-e's and 'test-boosters' are f**ing junk.. How do you not understand that???? They will not restart your hpta once you've shut it down.

I will guarantee you that after this cycle will start to feel really crappy 2 - 3 weeks after you discontinue... and all your gains will disappear way quicker then they came. The only thing you'll be left w/ is a pleasant case of erectile dysfunction @ 19... Sick...

Ultimately, making you once again a scrawny little sh*t w/ ed this time though.

agreed

[breakbones]

At your weight food is the natural steroid that will get you big; however, should you choose to ignore the smart that are presenting you with valuble information so that you do not harm yourself, go rite ahead.

You sign on this site for a reason, to get knowledge and direction.
DON'T RUN FROM WHAT YOU ASKED!

[breakbones]

whats the bstway to build all around mass?

workouts wise.

Lift heavy and solid diet

[Quo]

whats the bstway to build all around mass?

workouts wise.

Deadlifts, bench press, and squats. Even if those three are all you do, if you do them well and EAT, there's no way you won't put on size.

Look them up online. There are tons of videos and lessons on how to do them right.

I hope everyone has convinced you not to use steroids or prohormones. I'm frankly shocked you were even thinking about it in your current state. You want to do them for ENTIRELY the wrong reason - you simply want to take a shortcut.

I'm not ragging on you, but, based on your pics, you're nowhere near your natural potential. Steroids are really only a good idea for those who have plateaued at their natural level and simply can't go any further (and who are over the age of at least 23 - 24). You cannot convince me that with some hard work and lots of food, you won't pack on another good 20 pounds, at least.

Dude, I couldn't even bench 145 pounds when I first started. F*ck what everyone in the gym thinks of you and work your ass off. Then Come back in 5 years when you are ready for steroids.

[CanYouDigIt]

I love people who jump on steroids for the ultimate /iwincandy, it's gonna be funny whenever they go on steroids and lift 2x more then they are now, get stretch marks,stretch tendons, balls the size of peas and not being able to get it up no more,

wonder what the girls will say then? haha....

Here's a helpful tip, Weights aren't a booooooom you're big, takes times, and all my friends who jumped the gun on the steroids and did cycles at there teens are now coming to me and saying " My elbow hurts/ my knees joints hurt/ QQ ".

And considering you haven't been lifting more then 6 months hard, with a good diet, I think you should seek advice of either a personal trainer or do some research, because dang son...

[Loaded61]

lets knock out the obvious...you dont even look like you have experience working out...to even consider any type of aas or pro hormones for that matter you need to have peaked natty.this aside from your age and other flaws....may sound harsh but its the truth

[Loaded61]

k i still dont see how its funny?

and basically what you guys are saying is not to do it?

im not going t get gyno or any low testasterone levels,
because ill be taking an estrogen blocker during my cycle,
then a test booster after my cycle to gain my natural tes back.

And to the guy who doesnt sell to under 21,
ive been working out for a year now,
eating the best i can taking protein and good supps,
and im tired of being scronny.

lol you dont take more test after a cycle to get levels back you need to look into clomid and more shit about pct...need to do more homework

[Micki]

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[Loaded61]

Here is a diet plan and work out plan.
CHEST, BICEPS
Decline Press-bench (3 sets, 6-10 reps)
flat dumbell press (2 sets 6-10reps)
Incline Press-bench or dumbell (2 sets, 6-10 reps)
Dips (2 sets, 8-10 reps)
Barbell Curls (3 sets, 6-10 reps)
Hammer Curls (2 sets, 6-10 reps)
Machine Fly (2 sets, 8-10 reps)
Pushups (2 sets till fail)
Overhead Cable Curl (2 sets, 8-10 reps)
Abs- Machine and Knee Raises (2 sets ea, 15-20)

QUADS
Squats (4 sets, 6-10 reps)
Leg Press Sitting (2 sets, 6-10 reps)
Standing Leg Press (2 sets, 6-10 reps)
Leg Curls (2 sets, 8-10 reps)
Leg Extensions (2 sets, 8-10 reps)
Dumbell Lunges (2 sets, 8-12 reps)

SHOULDERS, TRICEPS
Military Press-dumbell (3 sets, 6-10 reps)
infront Barbell Presses (1 set, 8-10 reps)
upright rows (3 sets 8-10reps)
Lateral Raises (2 sets, 8-10 reps)
close grip bench press (3 sets 8-10reps)
Skull Crushers (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
Bench Dips (2 sets, 8-10 reps) add weight to yourself
Abs- Machine and Knee Raises (2 sets ea, 15-20)

BACK, CALVES
Lat Pull ups (2 sets, 8-10 reps) add weight to yourself
Chin Ups (2 sets, 6-10 reps)
t bar Bent Over Row (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
dumbell rows (2 sets, 8-10 reps)
Standing Calf Raises (3 sets, 8-12 reps)
Seated Calf Raises (2 sets, 8-12 reps)
barbell Rows (2 sets, 8-10 reps)
Back extensions (3 sets, 8-12 reps)

What supplements should I use while on Steroids?
Creatine monohydrate
Lots of Protein-300 Grams
Multi-Vitamin-

What should my diet look like?
Meal 1:
Eggs 6 Whites 1 Yoke
3 servings oatmeal
25g protein from Whey

Meal 2:
Brown rice 50grams Carbs Brown rice/bean combo
8oz Chicken breast

Meal3:
50g Carbs from Yams
8oz Orange roughy

Meal4:
50grams Carbs Brown rice/bean combo
8oz Chicken breast

PWO:
1 Banana
50g protein from Whey

Meal 5 30Minutes after Pwo meal
50g Carbs Brown rice/Bean combo
1 can of tuna

Meal 6
8oz chicken breast
Hot cherry peppers
1 serving of cheese
Lettice

Bed time snack
1 serving of Natural peanut butter

Side note:
Fresh veggies snacked on during the day
Also I interchange the Yams and Rice/Bean combo Daily
I just dropped the red meat...

Macro's
350g Protein
325g Carbs
80g Fat

And my carb cycling schedule
I'm off Tuesdays and Saturdays

Day Protein Carbs Fat Calories

Sunday 350 425 80 3800
Monday 350 325 80 3400
Tuesday 300 275 80 3000
Wednesday 350 425 80 3800
Thursday 350 325 80 3400
Friday 350 325 80 3400
Sat 300 275 80 3000

This is from the site. I'm under the impression that you feel that the bottles will get you in better shape. Try to follow one of these diets and exercise programs. There's a ton of these on here. And if you wanna take those while on this schedule do it by all means.

NO TRAPS!?!?!?!!? wtf kind of work out is that

[CanYouDigIt]

I disagree with traps, you end up looking like a pencil

[Micki]

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[Loaded61]

I disagree with traps, you end up looking like a pencil

wtf are you talking about...traps are genetics...you dont like them cuz you have shitty genetics...thus you either dont get them or you dont good looking ones

[Loaded61]

Lateral Raises (2 sets, 8-10 reps) upright rows (3 sets 8-10reps) = Traps

deads? shrugs? and most of all weres the cleans...have a day each week dedicated to traps

[vaders4]

Steven,

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do NOT Put that CRAP in your body!!

You don't need it man!! I'm 30 years old and I'm SURE your natural testosterone is much higher than mine is.

I went from 6 foot 150-155lbs to 180-185lbs in 8 months!!

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=414053

Check out that thread brother, the pics don't lie.

You're not eating enough, and not lifting hard enough or heavy enough. Trust me man I was your age, I *thought* I was eating, I *thought* I was lifting.

Remember this, because it will haunt you forever "EAT, LIFT, SLEEP"

I credit my size to 80% of my diet, 20% gym time.

You can do it bro, don't take the cheap way out, I was a god damn RAIL and now I'm not, in less than ONE YEAR!!

[Kdub]

whats the bstway to build all around mass?

workouts wise.

If I were you, I would go to your local hardcore gym and find a mentor. Find an older mentor, someone around 45-50 who has years of lifting experience and show sincerity in wanting to learn how to train properly for size.

Don't waste your time or money on a personal trainer.Most haven't a clue how to get big or strong.

An "older" mentor will have the patience and desire to take a young one under their wing and show them the ropes and... it won't cost you a thing.

[chuckt12345]

You have a terrible attitude, and zero common sense. I suggest you smarten up immediately, and listen up.

Do not take those products, they WILL shut down your natural test. The products that you think will save you.. this over the counter Anti-E's and 'test-boosters' are f**ing junk.. how do you not understand that???? they will NOT restart your HPTA once you've shut it down.

I will guarantee you that after this cycle will start to feel really crappy 2 - 3 weeks after you discontinue... and all your gains will disappear WAY quicker then they came. the only thing you'll be left w/ is a pleasant case of erectile dysfunction @ 19... sick...

Ultimately, making you once again a scrawny little sh*t w/ ED this time though.

wtf virturvian,, lay off the kid. No need to be a dk

[ohlsson]

steven, u look like u have never worked out, get a solid diet under ur belt and lift hard, if u take steroids now, ull be stuck on them because u wont be able to wait to make gains naturally because ull feel ur stuck on roids, trust me, practice compound movements, getting big takes alot of time and patience, u wont get big after one roid cycle, spend the money on protein man