Advice on 2nd cycle

[kizza234]

Did the typical 10 week test e & 4 weeks winny a year ago, went great as well as PCT. Was wondering what the typical "next step" is... I basically want to do another 12-weeks test e, but what should I stack it with? I'm looking for moderate weight gain and good strength gains with minimal water-retention and sides, because they suck

I'm 28
6'2"
205
10 years training experience


Help is greatly appreciated!

[chuckt12345]

mast, var, primo

[Mooseman33]

i think u should research this on ur own.
u know what ur goals will be.

propose something, then we can go from there....

[kizza234]

Here is what I was thinking.

1-12 test e 500mg/wk
1-10 deca 300mg/wk OR 1-4 d-bol
10-14 winny 50mg/day

I know the deca is a little low, but is it enough to benefit from it? What would be better, this, or 4 weeks of d bol at the start instead of the deca.

[Bossman]

The Deca is a little on the low side but you will get benefit. Even more so, since you haven't taken it before. If you're concerned about water weight, take .25 mg of adex EOD. I would add the Dbol but at 30-40mg ED week 1-4 for a jump start to the cycle.

Watch the winny. It dries the hell out of my joints making workouts hell.

[D7M]

Here is what I was thinking.

1-12 test e 500mg/wk
1-10 deca 300mg/wk OR 1-4 d-bol
10-14 winny 50mg/day

I know the deca is a little low, but is it enough to benefit from it? What would be better, this, or 4 weeks of d bol at the start instead of the deca.

too many compounds for your second cycle, imo.

Add one more compound than your first, and see how you react.

I'd up the deca to at least 400mg/wk, and keep your test where it is.

And like CGB said, if you're worried about water, watch the diet and add a low dose of a-dex.

[kizza234]

The first cycle was test and winny... Being that I only want to add one more, 300mg of deca (because I can't afford 2 vials lol), OR the d bol... which would be more effective or a better choice for the 2nd cycle? I was also on adex .25 ED the first go-round.

When I was on the winny before my joints were fine but it made my muscles super stiff/hard... Like if I swung my arm back without easing into it my pec would tense up rapidly.

[kizza234]

Bump

[Bossman]

The first cycle was test and winny... Being that I only want to add one more, 300mg of deca (because I can't afford 2 vials lol), OR the d bol... which would be more effective or a better choice for the 2nd cycle? I was also on adex .25 ED the first go-round.

When I was on the winny before my joints were fine but it made my muscles super stiff/hard... Like if I swung my arm back without easing into it my pec would tense up rapidly.

If your choice is dbol or deca, I would opt for the deca.

Some have no problem with winny. Ive tried it several times, oral and injectable and its not for me.

[Aizen Sosuke]

Test prop, npp and winstrol. That's what I'd do. I'm actually in the middle of a test and winny cycle. Glad you liked winstrol

[kizza234]

what would be the difference in using test prop? (aside from the injections) and what does npp stand for so I can look it up? And if anyone wants to chime in on how that would differ from deca feel free

[Aizen Sosuke]

NPP= nandrolone phenylpropionate read its profile
test is test so not many advantages one over the other

[kizza234]

test p kicks in a little sooner right? Npp is about twice as expensive as deca?

If I were to go with test p and deca... what week would I stop the deca and winny on a 12-week test p, it's different that test e correct?

[chuckt12345]

well if you want minimal weight gain and sides then i wouldnt use deca

[XLCanadian]

Parabolan all the way bro!

Take:

Weeks 1-12: Test-p @ 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Parabolan @ 76 mgs EOD
Weeks 9-12: Winny @ 100mgs EOD

Lots of pinning, Have fun!!!

You'll get ripped of that cycle!

[Aizen Sosuke]

test p kicks in a little sooner right? Npp is about twice as expensive as deca?

If I were to go with test p and deca... what week would I stop the deca and winny on a 12-week test p, it's different that test e correct?

You would have to stop deca on week 9 to be safe which is too short for that ester, which is why I recomended npp. If you are worried about money then don't cycle at all. There's no such a thing as a cheap cycle. Remember this is your body you only get one.