Last checkup before i start!

**Ferdinand** · 01-09-2010, 08:59 AM

I joined this forum yesterday and from my post yesterday and reading this forum ive learned alot and feel ready for my first cycle.
I had no experience with steroids so this site has been a great help for me deciding what to go for.

This is what i decided:

Cycle 1:
1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

PCT:
Day 1-30 25.mg L-dex + 100.mg Clomid + 20.mg Nolva ED

I do 10mg Nolva and 25mg L-dex every day, also continue this for 2 weeks after my last Test-E injection, then on the first day of week 13 i start with100mg clomid also from day 1-30?.

Have i got this right then?? This might be a newbie question but better safe then sorry since is my first time.

Thanks

**Bossman** · 01-09-2010, 09:07 AM

One day and you're ready to go?!

There is no reason to run the adex or nolva on cycle unless you need them. I would run the cycle for 12 weeks.

His previous post state he's 24, 6'1", 230 lbs lifting for 7 years no cycle exp.

***D7M*** · 01-09-2010, 09:08 AM

what are your stats?

no need to run l-dex and novla together--during cycle or on pct.

**c-Z** · 01-09-2010, 09:20 AM

IDC what his starts are. If he just joined this forum his knowledge is lacking therefore a little more effort should be put into understanding the compounds he is looking to use and how they work. 2 days is not enough.

**Ferdinand** · 01-09-2010, 09:21 AM

Well, to answer the one day and ready to go question.
I've been thinking about using steroids for quite a while so this is not something i have rushed into.
I have trained well for some years, i eat well, i just dont have any experience with steroid use , and one got to start somewhere. Am not a fool and i take care of my body, that is also why i posted here yesterday before foolishly starting Tren /deca cycle hehe.
I would also like to add that i have read hundreds of times about each product etc etc etc over the last months, but i like i said i have no experience with cycles and what to start with.

So, i run the Test-E for 12 weeks, and ONLY use nolva OR L-dex IF needed.
And i start the PCT i previously posted with Either Nolva OR L-dex and clomid 2 weeks after last test inj.
????

**c-Z** · 01-09-2010, 09:25 AM

Oh god your the deca tren guy? Dude... If you honestly could propose a cycle like that a day ago.. u shouldnt be even thinking of using... You obviously aren't taking care of your body if you dont know what to put in it. You should spend some time learning the different steroids . How they work. What does what... Doses, lengths, short/long esters. Pct time. ETC. The knowledge is endless.

**Ferdinand** · 01-09-2010, 09:40 AM

c-Z, i see your point and i understand why you say this but, i came here to learn and i was recommended by several experienced people to start with Test only cycle as my first time.
I have read the "Test beginners cycle info" and other things, especially things concerning this cycle many times and i understand what each drug in that cycle works.

And if this is correct:
"Run the Test-E for 12 weeks, and ONLY use nolva OR L-dex IF needed.
And i start the PCT i previously posted with Either Nolva OR L-dex and clomid 2 weeks after last test inj."

And if i understand what these drugs do and what sideeffects they have how could i really do more then experience the rest?
I ofcourse know that the knowledge is endless like you say.
Am not here to argue or anything cause i know there is alot of experienced people in this Forum that only tries to help and give good advices.

**c-Z** · 01-09-2010, 09:56 AM

OK it is your body my friend. I just hate seeing guys who regret not knowing what they are doing. If your following the beginner sticky you should be fine.

I would just keep armidex on hand if gyno symptoms occur. I really don't like using nolva on cycle.

**Ferdinand** · 01-09-2010, 10:10 AM

Thanks for responses guys.
I will be vice and listen to what your saying c-Z and i will but it on ice for a while and educate myself some more.
But atleast am on right track now with doing test beginner cycle when the time comes..
Cause i rather be a safe then sorry guy even tho i posted tren /deca yesterday hehe.
Ill check back when i have more questions or/and have tried my first cycle when the time comes.

**tjax03** · 01-09-2010, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by c-Z

Oh god your the deca tren guy? Dude... If you honestly could propose a cycle like that a day ago.. u shouldnt be even thinking of using... You obviously aren't taking care of your body if you dont know what to put in it. You should spend some time learning the different steroids. How they work. What does what... Doses, lengths, short/long esters. Pct time. ETC. The knowledge is endless.

Cut him some slack. Just because he doesn't know much about steroids doesn't mean he lacks proper knowledge on fitness and diet.

**c-Z** · 01-09-2010, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by tjax03

Cut him some slack. Just because he doesn't know much about steroids doesn't mean he lacks proper knowledge on fitness and diet.

Dude... you been here a month. You have no room to talk. Him being a member of a steroid forum for not even 2 days. HAS MUCH TO LEARN.

IN BOLD. Meaning steroids . Coming up with a tren deca cycle. Is idiotic. No offense to him. Hes new to the game. And needs to learn and he is doing it correctly by taking proper steps. I never questioned his knowledge in fitness and diet.

Theres a big difference between lacking in steroid knowledge and fitness/diet. Steroid you are doing damage. Fitness/diet-if your eating shit you will gain shit. Same as if your training improperly your results will be limited.

**tjax03** · 01-09-2010, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by c-Z

Dude... you been here a month. You have no room to talk. Him being a member of a steroid forum for not even 2 days. HAS MUCH TO LEARN.

IN BOLD. Meaning steroids . Coming up with a tren deca cycle. Is idiotic. No offense to him. Hes new to the game. And needs to learn and he is doing it correctly by taking proper steps. I never questioned his knowledge in fitness and diet.

Theres a big difference between lacking in steroid knowledge and fitness/diet. Steroid you are doing damage. Fitness/diet-if your eating shit you will gain shit. Same as if your training improperly your results will be limited.

I didn't realize there is a required membership time before we can voice opinions.

Anyways I wasn't diasagreeing with you telling him he needs to do more research/ is not ready to cycle. That is apparent from his posts. I just thought it was a bit excessive to state that he doesn't take care of himself. Obviously if he decides to go ahead with a badly planned cycle that's a different story.

**Bossman** · 01-09-2010, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by tjax03

I didn't realize there is a required membership time before we can voice opinions.

Anyways I wasn't diasagreeing with you telling him he needs to do more research/ is not ready to cycle. That is apparent from his posts. I just thought it was a bit excessive to state that he doesn't take care of himself. Obviously if he decides to go ahead with a badly planned cycle that's a different story.

So many come on this site day in and day out looking for some advice to help them with a quick fix. Steroids are not a quick fix. The experienced members/mods read between the lines in an effort to properly direct the OP. Sometimes the best advise is to wait, train harder or longer, give more attention to diet, etc. Because steroids are not a quick fix, all of the pieces of the puzzle must be in place or even steroids will not give the OP his desired results and may even be harmful.

Not all first time posters fall in this category, but a lot of them do. Let the experienced help sort em out and learn in the process.

I love the spring breakers "I need to lose 10% BF and gain 15lbs of muscle in 4 weeks for Cancun!"

**Ferdinand** · 01-09-2010, 06:54 PM

I must say i agree with this myself.
Thanks to all who have answered my posts and given me good advices, like i said i have now decided to put my first cycle on ice for a while even tho i dont need to know more about training and diets.
But i lack knowledge on steroid use , simple as that. I never took c-Z comment like an insult but i do take care of my body and my health otherwise i would never have come here for advices in the first place.
Again, thanks and i will surely be active on this forum in the future when the time comes.