Nolva whole cycle

**Mr.Rose** · 01-10-2010, 08:45 AM

Im prone to gyno, i scared i would get it. Ive been doing 500mg testp a week for 4 weeks now and doing nolva at 20mg ED, now im switching to sus at 750mg/week (once ppl help with other thread), and i would like to continue the Nolva.

Is there a problem with running nolva the whole cycle? I heard it might reduce gains, but i don mind. Also would it help to make PCT fater since i had nolva in my system the whole time. Oh and during PCT i will add clomid as well.

**ottomaddox** · 01-10-2010, 08:47 AM

You should be using A-dex instead, and keep the nolva for PCT.

**Mr.Rose** · 01-10-2010, 09:08 AM

yeh the Nolva wasn't for anti E, and a-dex or any AI was not available, but im getting some soon from lion. Im taking proviron now to help with estrogen plus for its other benifits.

**ottomaddox** · 01-10-2010, 09:10 AM

What were you using the nolva for then? Good intentions? Youi should never start a cycle without covering all your bases. Not having A-dex/Letro on hand in case of emergency is just plain uneducated. Do some more research.

Originally Posted by Mr.Rose

yeh the Nolva wasn't for anti E, and a-dex or any AI was not available, but im getting some soon from lion. Im taking proviron now to help with estrogen plus for its other benifits.

**Mr.Rose** · 01-10-2010, 09:32 AM

I know i know, but at my doses i wasnt worried about AI, and i was taking the Nola for Gyno. I have read numerous articles about its effectiveness on gyno prevention and even reversal. So thats what im using it for. The prov was my last resort for AI, i know its not AI, but it was a last resort.

If i had problem, and i would get an AI in a day but it would be a hassle but i could. So thats why i dont have it on hand right now.

**ottomaddox** · 01-10-2010, 09:39 AM

Rule of thumb when doing any cycle is to have everything you need no matter how much of a hassle or how much you have to spend. It's your body and when something is wrong, I wouldn't want to wait to get help when I should of had it from the start. Better Safe Than Sorry.

**Mr.Rose** · 01-10-2010, 09:42 AM

you are 100% right, but we dont live in a perfect world, and i should have an AI. But besides this...

About the Nolva? will it affect gains? will it really help with gno pervention? since it binds to the breasts.

***D7M*** · 01-10-2010, 09:45 AM

I don't think nolva will affect your gains too much. I've used it on cycle without any problems. The research indicates nolva will lower your IGF levels, but I don't think it will lower them significantly enough.

Nolva should help with the incoming gyno, though I agree with Otto, I'd much prefer an AI on cycle.

**ottomaddox** · 01-10-2010, 09:48 AM

Remember your Boy Scout days and 'Always Be Prepared."

**FranciscoG** · 01-10-2010, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Rose

you are 100% right, but we dont live in a perfect world, and i should have an AI. But besides this...

About the Nolva? will it affect gains? will it really help with gno pervention? since it binds to the breasts.

Gains are affected, long term use upped secr of GH:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9364247

Acute TAM test (20 mg po) did not induce any significant change in GH and IGF-I levels. Chronic TAM treatment (20 mg/day for a month and 40 mg/day for another month) induced a transient increase in GH levels

Gyno pervention?

Sure it will help prevent gyno.

i have seen studies That suggest long term use will affect cholestrol and HDL.

**FranciscoG** · 01-10-2010, 10:14 AM

If you are facing drug-induced gynecomastia geberally tomax is not AS effective as second generation AI.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

**TITANIUM** · 01-10-2010, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by PharmDoc-Cyrus

Gains are affected, long term use upped secr of GH:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9364247

Acute TAM test (20 mg po) did not induce any significant change in GH and IGF-I levels. Chronic TAM treatment (20 mg/day for a month and 40 mg/day for another month) induced a transient increase in GH levels

Gyno pervention?

Sure it will help prevent gyno.

i have seen studies That suggest long term use will affect cholestrol and HDL.

An AI is a better bet, but does have it's negative attributes as well.

As I do respect research and doctor's findings, alot of it just isn't been tested on people that have alot of syn gear in there system.

Add to the fact that every ones different with gyno/estro/and prolactin, to name a few.

You want to theoretically keep estrogen high enough in the body to help build muscle.

Anything over that you get sides.(Gyno)

Try .25 mgs adex X 2 wk and see how things go.

I believe HAZ runs an AI and a serm together due to the fact he is so gyno prone.(not sure if it is him or another member).

It is different for each of us.

The next time around, have all your compounds on hand.

Best

T