General advice.

[gymnerd]

I just wanted to throw my meager .002 out there I see soo many guys handing out advise like its the bible, use this dose or run this compound this way only anything else is retarded etc.

One, I see alot is dbol run a one dose only do not pyramid up or down thats stupid. Well I know exactly where my tolerance for dbol and anadrol is because I increased the dose slowly and experimented a little till the sides got too much then I backed down its different for everyone and you have to find what dose works for you.

Another one is adex only on cycle no aromasin etc I know alot of guys that prefer aromasin on cycle its less harsh on the body then dex and it will not eliminate all your estro so you cant grow anymore. I am pretty sure I have even seen swifto post on this before. The only way to know what works for you is to give it a try I hate adex kills my joints, lipids, and sex drive.

I think the general advise is a good starting point to cycling safely and should be regarded as such but not carried around like the holy bible of steroids because that just doesn't exists. I am done venting now I just hate it when someone suggest something out of the ordinary and the bible holders beat him down with it, there is alot of different strategies out there and you never learn anything when you dont listen. Lets keep the knowledge flowing
. Respect

[18yearoldfreak]

i have noticed the same thing...everything seems so black and white when you see people giving advice like thats the only way or ANY other possible way is wrong...bottom line: steroids affect every individual differently and its all about what works for YOU

[tinytom777]

i have noticed the same thing...everything seems so black and white when you see people giving advice like thats the only way or ANY other possible way is wrong...bottom line: steroids affect every individual differently and its all about what works for YOU

Yes but everyone is going to tell you not to do steriods at 18. thats just plain ignorance and stupidity... bible or no bible

[ohlsson]

Yes but everyone is going to tell you not to do steriods at 18. thats just plain ignorance and stupidity... bible or no bible

yeah, wait until ur at least 21

[18yearoldfreak]

Yes but everyone is going to tell you not to do steriods at 18. thats just plain ignorance and stupidity... bible or no bible

Funny thing is i wasnt even referring to that or anything concerning that. Honestly.

[tinytom777]

Funny thing is i wasnt even referring to that or anything concerning that. Honestly.

well good, i do actually agree with the OP's comment that there is no bible, there are obviously some rules that really do apply and work, and there are many vets on here with a wealth of knowledge with everyone should listen to but as you said everyone is different, but still, no steroids at 18...period lol

[tjax03]

I just wanted to throw my meager .002 out there I see soo many guys handing out advise like its the bible, use this dose or run this compound this way only anything else is retarded etc.

One, I see alot is dbol run a one dose only do not pyramid up or down thats stupid. Well I know exactly where my tolerance for dbol and anadrol is because I increased the dose slowly and experimented a little till the sides got too much then I backed down its different for everyone and you have to find what dose works for you.

Another one is adex only on cycle no aromasin etc I know alot of guys that prefer aromasin on cycle its less harsh on the body then dex and it will not eliminate all your estro so you cant grow anymore. I am pretty sure I have even seen swifto post on this before. The only way to know what works for you is to give it a try I hate adex kills my joints, lipids, and sex drive.

I think the general advise is a good starting point to cycling safely and should be regarded as such but not carried around like the holy bible of steroids because that just doesn't exists. I am done venting now I just hate it when someone suggest something out of the ordinary and the bible holders beat him down with it, there is alot of different strategies out there and you never learn anything when you dont listen. Lets keep the knowledge flowing
. Respect

I agree. It also seems like the "standard" advice given out to people varies a bit from forum to forum. One board may be all about adex for estro control while another thinks Adex is crap and recommends aromasin. Obviously there is going to be some variation in what is recommended, as there are many options out there which all have benefits. It's just kind of interesting that different sites have their own standards when it comes to what is advised.

[gymnerd]

I agree. It also seems like the "standard" advice given out to people varies a bit from forum to forum. One board may be all about adex for estro control while another thinks Adex is crap and recommends aromasin. Obviously there is going to be some variation in what is recommended, as there are many options out there which all have benefits. It's just kind of interesting that different sites have their own standards when it comes to what is advised.

This is a big reason I made this thread actually. I am a member of one forum that shares info more freeley without a black and white mentality and I really learn alot from those type posts.

[gymnerd]

Yes but everyone is going to tell you not to do steriods at 18. thats just plain ignorance and stupidity... bible or no bible

HAha, yeah I was not saying its OK to start juicing at a young age.

[Bossman]

I agree that "one size fits all" should not apply. But when newbs seek advice there should be a general starting point which includes set dosing, compounds, duration and ancillaries. This should be based on what experienced members have found to be the best tolerated and most productive first cycle. An experienced user however can and may seek advice to fine tune his cycles to meet his goals. There are many variables.

The first time I ran Tren A, I ran it at 100mg ED. This was advised by someone here. About 3 weeks in I found I could not come close to tolerating the sides. It took me 3 more attempts to find that 50mg ED is my max dose, right now. It may change as I grow and my tolerance changes. People have posted on this forum that 50mg ED is a waste. It is not for me.

[gymnerd]

I agree that "one size fits all" should not apply. But when newbs seek advice there should be a general starting point which includes set dosing, compounds, duration and ancillaries. This should be based on what experienced members have found to be the best tolerated and most productive first cycle. An experienced user however can and may seek advice to fine tune his cycles to meet his goals. There are many variables.

The first time I ran Tren A, I ran it at 100mg ED. This was advised by someone here. About 3 weeks in I found I could not come close to tolerating the sides. It took me 3 more attempts to find that 50mg ED is my max dose, right now. It may change as I grow and my tolerance changes. People have posted on this forum that 50mg ED is a waste. It is not for me.

I completely agree, I was more refering to guys that think things are written in stone they are not some people get horrible sides from 500mg of test and I have seen posts where guys say that and everyone jumps on him saying you cant run 300mg of test at least 500 thats just bad advise that guy know his body doesnt respond well to test etc.

[Bossman]

I completely agree, I was more refering to guys that think things are written in stone they are not some people get horrible sides from 500mg of test and I have seen posts where guys say that and everyone jumps on him saying you cant run 300mg of test at least 500 thats just bad advise that guy know his body doesnt respond well to test etc.

I gotcha. I think some of the more mature guys could see decent results from 250-300mg of test per week. Ive made steady gains on 250 test and 150NPP per week just cruising. Not earth shattering gains, but steady. Every one has different goals.

[18yearoldfreak]

I gotcha. I think some of the more mature guys could see decent results from 250-300mg of test per week. Ive made steady gains on 250 test and 150NPP per week just cruising. Not earth shattering gains, but steady. Every one has different goals.

is that you in your avatar?

[Bossman]

is that you in your avatar?

Yeah, that pic is a couple years old though, Im a bit bigger now. I think I'll change it up.