Growth Hormone vs test

**Blade15** · 01-12-2010, 04:16 AM

Hey guys i m new here.... i m male 25... ht 5'4"... wt 154 pounds with 12% bf... i am training for 6 yrs now... i hav started at wt 110 pounds...

i m confused between testosterone and hgh.... i have done some research on this but i am still confused... like all experienced users said that
test e or cyp ...400-500 mgs/week...
shot twice a week for 10/12 weeks
pct - clomid 40/40/20/20 daily for 4 weeks...
nolva at hand while on cycle if there are any symptoms of gyno...

but why should not be hgh?? plz guys i need your help.i understand that test will enhance the size of muscle fibre without any increase in no.and hgh not only increases the size of the muscle fibre but also increases no. of muscle fibre.am i right? correct me if i am wrong. i need your help guys... plzzzz

**fastwardo** · 01-12-2010, 04:30 AM

whats "no."??

**syd-bloke** · 01-12-2010, 05:35 AM

HGH is the best but you need to be on it at high dose for atleast 6 months+ to start noticing solid results (and we are talking about muscle growth not fat loss otherwise low dose would help in losing fat) and at somewhat $300 a week for min dose, it makes it obsolete and non practical, hence everyone would choose test for its practical and return on investment. In a nutshell, we all think they should make HGH a living necessity! but lets wake up and use whats more practical and easier to obtain with good results.

**Blade15** · 01-12-2010, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by fastwardo

whats "no."??

number.

**Blade15** · 01-12-2010, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by syd-bloke

HGH is the best but you need to be on it at high dose for atleast 6 months+ to start noticing solid results (and we are talking about muscle growth not fat loss otherwise low dose would help in losing fat) and at somewhat $300 a week for min dose, it makes it obsolete and non practical, hence everyone would choose test for its practical and return on investment. In a nutshell, we all think they should make HGH a living necessity! but lets wake up and use whats more practical and easier to obtain with good results.

Thanks a lot bro... what about the muscle fibre? i mean is there permanent increase in muscle fibres from use of HGH? and what from the use of test? (i mean permanent increase in muscle fibres?)

**syd-bloke** · 01-12-2010, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by transformer15

Thanks a lot bro... what about the muscle fibre? i mean is there permanent increase in muscle fibres from use of HGH? and what from the use of test? (i mean permanent increase in muscle fibres?)

There is no such thing as permanent muscle fiber. You could even put your muscles that you were born with into catabolic stage by forcing part of your tyroid gland (another subject so lets briefly say T3) to burn your muscle with not having a proper diet (or not eating right). Anorexic people are not born skinny. At some stage, they lost majority of their natural muscle by not eating right due to the illness.

So to build and maintain muscle fiber, you need to stimulate your muscles (on going training) and feed them enough energy and protein.

Good things come to people who work hard and wait, short cuts are always temporary solutions. Get your diet right, on or off cycle and make training as part of your scheduled life (like going to work) and you will see sustainable growth. Good luck.

**Blade15** · 01-13-2010, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by syd-bloke

There is no such thing as permanent muscle fiber. You could even put your muscles that you were born with into catabolic stage by forcing part of your tyroid gland (another subject so lets briefly say T3) to burn your muscle with not having a proper diet (or not eating right). Anorexic people are not born skinny. At some stage, they lost majority of their natural muscle by not eating right due to the illness.

So to build and maintain muscle fiber, you need to stimulate your muscles (on going training) and feed them enough energy and protein.

Good things come to people who work hard and wait, short cuts are always temporary solutions. Get your diet right, on or off cycle and make training as part of your scheduled life (like going to work) and you will see sustainable growth. Good luck.

Thanks man.... But do test create new muscle fibre or only GH do?

**Bonaparte** · 01-13-2010, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by transformer15

Thanks man.... But do test create new muscle fibre or only GH do?

Only peptides (hgh and IGF) will actually allow you to grow new muscle cells (hyperplasia).

AAS only cause hypertrophy (increase in muscle cell size).

However, this is of very little importance to you unless you are already a professional level bodybuilder and are as big as you could get with just AAS.
Hypertrophy is much more noticeable (and cost effective) than hyperplasia.

You should do a lot more reading if you think that you need to be worried about creating new muscle cells with your stats.

**Pittbull78** · 01-13-2010, 12:46 AM

I agree with these gentlemen. HGH - not economical. I've been BBing for years now and still refuse to waste my money on the small amount I could afford after buying my usual gear. Don't get me wrong I'd love to do it if I had the money but I just don't have 10 Gs to play with to do things the way I want to!

**Blade15** · 01-13-2010, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Only peptides (hgh and IGF) will actually allow you to grow new muscle cells (hyperplasia).

AAS only cause hypertrophy (increase in muscle cell size).

However, this is of very little importance to you unless you are already a professional level bodybuilder and are as big as you could get with just AAS.
Hypertrophy is much more noticeable (and cost effective) than hyperplasia.

You should do a lot more reading if you think that you need to be worried about creating new muscle cells with your stats.

Thanks bro. May be i will save money for GH for future cycles..

**Blade15** · 01-13-2010, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Pittbull78

I agree with these gentlemen. HGH - not economical. I've been BBing for years now and still refuse to waste my money on the small amount I could afford after buying my usual gear. Don't get me wrong I'd love to do it if I had the money but I just don't have 10 Gs to play with to do things the way I want to!

I am agree too... anyway Thanks man...