4th Cycle Critique

[Gaspari1255]

Age- 21
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 253lbs
Waist: 35"
Years Training: 3.5
Previous cycles:

1.) Weeks 1-10: Test E @ 500mg week

2.) Weeks 1-12: Test E @ 700mg week
Weeks 1-10: Deca @ 600mg week
Weeks 1-5: 60mg Dbol ED

3.) Weeks 1-10: Test C @ 300mg week
Weeks 1-8: Tren A @ 75mg ED
Weeks 1-3: Superdrol @ 30mg ED

**Proposed Cycle**

Weeks 1-12: Test C @ 300mg week
Weeks 1-10: Tren A 75mg ED
Weeks 7-12: 50mg Winstrol ED

PCT: N/A (TRT- 150mg Cyp)

This is going to be my first cutting cycle. I would like to be under 10% bf. Most people are going to say that I should probably use Prop in place of cyp but I find it much easier just to double my TRT dose. All questions, comments, and concerns are apperciated.

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[MotoLifter]

your on trt at 21?


Moto

[Gaspari1255]

your on trt at 21?


Moto

Yes. I feel the main reason is that abuse of PHs that took place in HS. I didn't even know what they hell they were or what I was doing to my body. My previous cycles were all done with proper PCT. I unfourtntely screwed myself up and a young age. Life goes on.

[MotoLifter]

Yes. I feel the main reason is that abuse of PHs that took place in HS. I didn't even know what they hell they were or what I was doing to my body. My previous cycles were all done with proper PCT. I unfourtntely screwed myself up and a young age. Life goes on.

I hear ya man, just gotta keep movin forward.

that is a great lesson for the newbs that come here and wanna run 4 compounds for 4 months at 18 yrs old though.

as far as how the cycle looks, if you have had good results from 300mgs before and are looking for less bloat id say it looks good.

obviously you know the benefits prop would offer so im not gonna rehash it. and 75mgs ED of tren is a reasonable dose and if you havent had leaky nipple issues from that dose before, you should be good to go.


Moto

[Vitruvian-Man]

I've seen your pictures before.... to get to 10% you would have to shed an enormous amount of weight... no? what's your current BF?

The cycle looks fine.. very moderate dosages IMO. I would definitely be shooting prop @ 50mg ED w/ the tren... since you're using ace anyways. but I respect your decision..

And I would probably opt for masteron over winstrol... but yah either way works

[Gaspari1255]

I've seen your pictures before.... to get to 10% you would have to shed an enormous amount of weight... no? what's your current BF?

The cycle looks fine.. very moderate dosages IMO. I would definitely be shooting prop @ 50mg ED w/ the tren... since you're using ace anyways. but I respect your decision..

And I would probably opt for masteron over winstrol... but yah either way works

Thanks for the feedback. And as far as dropping weight, I agree with you. I am hoping with a good diet/ and this cycle, I won't have to go below 225lbs but we will see. Currently, I am between 15-16%bf. As far as dosage goes, do you think someone my size/cycle expierence should up the test/Tren?

...I thought 300mg of cyp a week would be okay for cutting, now I am kind of doubting myself. I may just play it safe and and run 500mg. As far as the Tren Ace, do ya think I should bump to 100mg ED or 75 will do. I have heard some horror stories about 75mg+ ED so I am kind of hesitant.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Thanks for the feedback. And as far as dropping weight, I agree with you. I am hoping with a good diet/ and this cycle, I won't have to go below 225lbs but we will see. Currently, I am between 15-16%bf. As far as dosage goes, do you think someone my size/cycle expierence should up the test/Tren?

...I thought 300mg of cyp a week would be okay for cutting, now I am kind of doubting myself. I may just play it safe and and run 500mg. As far as the Tren Ace, do ya think I should bump to 100mg ED or 75 will do. I have heard some horror stories about 75mg+ ED so I am kind of hesitant.

Well that really depends. Honestly when running the test/tren combo I usually opt to keep my tren high, and my test low. (this way I rely on the tren to do most of the work in cutting up my body..)

This is what I do:

Prop (weeks 1 - 12) @ 50mg ED
Tren-A (weeks 1 - 11) @ 100mg ED

IMO, you could start @ 75mg ED, and see how the sides treat you... and then you could bump the dosage up to 100mg ED if you feel you can handle the increase.

And BTW, the reason I keep on saying prop is because i'm not a huge fan of mixing long and short esters in the same cycle.

Also, your goal is to cut; 300mg of test-C is going to do little to nothing for you IMO since you're already on TRT. (IE) if your TRT dosage is 150-200mg EW, then doubling it will not make a huge impact at all. So yah... I would either up the tren... or just up the test... but honestly it's your call.. lol, just suggestions right

[E Police 183]

wait...this kid is 21 yoa and its his 4th cycle? why are people giving him advice to go on with the cycle? He obviously didn't learn from pervious experiences but he is way to young to continue on this pace. What is going on here? and to be honest hes new to training at 3 1/2 years...

[Little Herc]

If he in TRT the dmg is done.

[Gaspari1255]

wait...this kid is 21 yoa and its his 4th cycle? why are people giving him advice to go on with the cycle? He obviously didn't learn from pervious experiences but he is way to young to continue on this pace. What is going on here? and to be honest hes new to training at 3 1/2 years...

Whats done is done. No reason to stop now.

[Gaspari1255]

Well that really depends. Honestly when running the test/tren combo I usually opt to keep my tren high, and my test low. (this way I rely on the tren to do most of the work in cutting up my body..)

This is what I do:

Prop (weeks 1 - 12) @ 50mg ED
Tren-A (weeks 1 - 11) @ 100mg ED

IMO, you could start @ 75mg ED, and see how the sides treat you... and then you could bump the dosage up to 100mg ED if you feel you can handle the increase.

And BTW, the reason I keep on saying prop is because i'm not a huge fan of mixing long and short esters in the same cycle.

Also, your goal is to cut; 300mg of test-C is going to do little to nothing for you IMO since you're already on TRT. (IE) if your TRT dosage is 150-200mg EW, then doubling it will not make a huge impact at all. So yah... I would either up the tren... or just up the test... but honestly it's your call.. lol, just suggestions right

I'm gonna make life easy and bump the cyp to 500mg/wk. Thanks for the help

[Vitruvian-Man]

I'm gonna make life easy and bump the cyp to 500mg/wk. Thanks for the help

Sounds good brotha...

Keep us updated on the cycle. Love the test/tren combo! I wanna see some monster lifts outta you. lol

[MotoLifter]

wait...this kid is 21 yoa and its his 4th cycle? why are people giving him advice to go on with the cycle? He obviously didn't learn from pervious experiences but he is way to young to continue on this pace. What is going on here? and to be honest hes new to training at 3 1/2 years...

did you read any of the thread or no????

the OP is on TRT already, the damage is done, his body isnt making enough test anymore. PAY ATTENTION BEFORE YOU POP OFF.


Moto

[E Police 183]

I read the whole thing, just because someone already did damage doesn't mean you should continue to give advice. I dunno i'm just not a fan of helping people who didn't listen in the first place. Nothing against you MoTo. And at the rate hes going hes doing more then just Fing up his test levels.

[MotoLifter]

I read the whole thing, just because someone already did damage doesn't mean you should continue to give advice. I dunno i'm just not a fan of helping people who didn't listen in the first place. Nothing against you MoTo. And at the rate hes going hes doing more then just Fing up his test levels.

I hear ya bro, but he said he made the mistakes in HS, implying that it happened before he was on the board (18+). While its not in my nature to do so, Im assuming a 21 yr old on trt would be under DR. supervision relatively regularly.

And honestly 300mg is a pretty conservative dose, that shouldnt cause major issues. I can understand and respect where your coming from, but in all honesty im not an MD and cant attest to the potential long term affects or consequences that could arise from said recommendations. However, having two MDs in the immediate fam, a chemist, and a 32 year registered nurse, the consensus seems to be that it SHOULD be relatively benign.


Moto