recovery after 12month cycle!!!!

**sitries** · 01-19-2010, 05:35 PM

i thought id been on for around 9months but when i check bk through the dates its been a year now!!! terrible organisation i know. cycle has been mainly test at 500mg a week, but there were periods of superdrol, anavar and deca at different times.

now my question is - if i run a good thorough 8 week pct will i recover??

pct =
2 weeks leading to pct - 8shots of hcg 1500ius EOD
wk1-4. proviron , nolva and clomid
wk4-8 nolva and clomid

who here has run cycles this length and managed to recover fully with bloods to prove this recovery. my plan is to get bloods taken 1 month after pct to see where im at.

bit worried iv done this cycle to long and it may have been detrimental to me haveing kids someday. im 27 years old by the way.

thanks in advance for any help.

**c-Z** · 01-19-2010, 05:49 PM

I hope it was worth it? what was beginning weight and end weight out of curiosity?

**Vitruvian-Man** · 01-19-2010, 05:51 PM

Hey... Ok, we need to address a question first:

1.) How bad is your current testicular atrophy?

... Staying on cycle for anything more then 5 - 6 months at a time puts you at significant risk of permanently shutting down (or damaging) the HPTA -- which governs your natural testosterone production.

In any case... I would begin the HCG immediately. (even if you're still on cycle). I would just go w/ 500iu ED for 2 weeks, and see if that brings back volume, etc to your testicles.

If your atrophy doesn't improve during this time period, then we can continue to run the HCG for the first couple of weeks of the PCT (you will have to use an AI like a-dex, or aromasin w/ the HCG)

BTW, (just a note...) 1500iu is a very high dosage; more is not always better; especially w/ HCG, as it is technically suppressive, etc...

This is how I would run your PCT:

Nolvadex (weeks 1 - 8) @ 40/40/40/20/20/20/10/10
Clomid (weeks 1 - 8) @ 150/100/100/75/50/50/25/25

(the dosages of clomid are a little high... but you definitely want it high to help raise your LH levels... if you can't handle the sides from 150mg of clomid ED, then just bump it down...)

Additional things to consider:

a.) get yourself a BIG bottle of cialis/viagra. You're definitely going to need it.

b.) i didn't suggest adding proviron to your PCT, because I don't believe it should be used during the PCT. 33% of men expected suppression in one study @ a low dosage of 25mg ED. In any case, if you're going to run it during the PCT (for libido help, etc.) then I would suggest no more then 25mg ED. anything higher would be counter-productive to the goals of your PCT..

c.) I would wait at least 1.5 months to get my blood-levels tested post PCT (as your levels may take a while longer to bound back)...

d.) If your levels don't recover, and you're forced to do TRT, there are still ways to get your wife pregnant (IE) high dosages of clomid + HCG therapy prior to attempting conception have worked wonders for many people.

Wow that was a bloody long response. Appreciate it!

and read it carefully!!!

**sitries** · 01-19-2010, 05:55 PM

no it wasnt worth it at all. it was badly planned and the same results could of ben obtained with two short cycles in this period. i just kind of got addicted!!!

start weight - 12.7stone
peak weight - 14.7 stone
end weight ( much more cut) - 13.3 stone

so basically i put on 28lbs and then cut down to low bf. overall id say iv gained around 18lbs of muscle when you take into account the weight gain and the drop in bf.

problem is - what am i gna be left with after pct - just hoping i dont CRASH!

This year has proven to me that steroids are definately addictive!! this was my 4th cycle by the way, biggest 1 bf was 14weeks

**redz** · 01-19-2010, 06:42 PM

Dont take the proviron during your pct it can actually be supressive.

**CanYouDigIt** · 01-19-2010, 08:15 PM

gl with your recovery this is out of my league.

**inky-e** · 01-19-2010, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by sitries

no it wasnt worth it at all. it was badly planned and the same results could of ben obtained with two short cycles in this period. i just kind of got addicted!!!

start weight - 12.7stone
peak weight - 14.7 stone
end weight ( much more cut) - 13.3 stone

so basically i put on 28lbs and then cut down to low bf. overall id say iv gained around 18lbs of muscle when you take into account the weight gain and the drop in bf.

problem is - what am i gna be left with after pct - just hoping i dont CRASH!

This year has proven to me that steroids are definately addictive!! this was my 4th cycle by the way, biggest 1 bf was 14weeks

Very!

**americanoak** · 01-19-2010, 08:45 PM

goodluck

**fizler** · 01-19-2010, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man

Hey... Ok, we need to address a question first:

Follow this guys advice.

However in all honestly I would get yourself an apt with an endocrinologist, specifically a renouned one in the HRT/TRT community. I can't recommend any as I don't know any.

Be prepaired to have low test and possibly go on TRT for life. Its not as fun as it sounds, although you will be able to keep more mass!

**RANA** · 01-19-2010, 08:58 PM

You might want to add either caber or bromo now and during your pct

**sitries** · 01-20-2010, 12:53 PM

**** - you guys have scared the shit out of me!!! on other boards i have been told that i should recover fine after a good long pct....and you guys ar talking about TRT and permenant shutdown!!!

surely im young enough to recover from this. mu nuts ahavent even really shrunk. iv seen studys with patients given 8month coarses of test and they have recovered fine.

im really worried now!!!!! although it was down to pure stupidity!!

***Thiago*** · 01-20-2010, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by redz

Dont take the proviron during your pct it can actually be supressive.

Not trying to hijack this thread, but what exactly is proviron used for ??

I asked a guy at my gym about taking Turinabol and he said to take it with proviron so I would not need PCT ?

**redz** · 01-20-2010, 01:04 PM

I asked a guy at my gym about taking Turinabol and he said to take it with proviron so I would not need PCT ?

That is terrible info....Always do PCT!

Proviron is used on cycle and is sort of a hybrid mild ai and very mild anabolic compound. It helps free up test in the body too.

**chuckt12345** · 01-20-2010, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by sitries

**** - you guys have scared the shit out of me!!! on other boards i have been told that i should recover fine after a good long pct....and you guys ar talking about TRT and permenant shutdown!!!

surely im young enough to recover from this. mu nuts ahavent even really shrunk. iv seen studys with patients given 8month coarses of test and they have recovered fine.

im really worried now!!!!! although it was down to pure stupidity!!

you should recover fine but nothing is certain,, just do the courses set out above and get blood work done,, nothing to worry about now

**tboney** · 01-20-2010, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by redz

Dont take the proviron during your pct it can actually be supressive.

I agree.

**Bossman** · 01-20-2010, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by sitries

**** - you guys have scared the shit out of me!!! on other boards i have been told that i should recover fine after a good long pct....and you guys ar talking about TRT and permenant shutdown!!!

surely im young enough to recover from this. mu nuts ahavent even really shrunk. iv seen studys with patients given 8month coarses of test and they have recovered fine.

im really worried now!!!!! although it was down to pure stupidity!!

I don't know if you'll recover. Saying you should recover fine though is nonsense. I know guys in their 20's that are on TRT. Even after seeking professional help to recover. One was on for 4 years straight (extreme example). Another was on for about a year (22 yr old) running test/tren . He did a thorough PCT but still ended up on TRT. Another guy I know was dabbling in AAS, not sure how well he ran PCT, but he's on androgel .

Everyone is different. I know guys that run no PCT and seem fine, have kids, all is well. And some that lactate.

**Vitruvian-Man** · 01-20-2010, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by sitries

**** - you guys have scared the shit out of me!!! on other boards i have been told that i should recover fine after a good long pct....and you guys ar talking about TRT and permenant shutdown!!!

surely im young enough to recover from this. mu nuts ahavent even really shrunk. iv seen studys with patients given 8month coarses of test and they have recovered fine.

im really worried now!!!!! although it was down to pure stupidity!!

Well that's good that you haven't experienced significant testicular atrophy. That means that HCG therapy should be swift; and you can begin PCT promptly.

The reason I was saying "permanent shut down, etc." is because you haven't been cycling "on/off" per say but rather just blasting for the last 9 months. 500mg of test EW is NOT a trt dosage.

Follow the protocol I outlined, and w/ luck you will recover. Best of luck. Keep us updated..

**Immortal Soldier** · 01-20-2010, 05:20 PM

I been on for over a year cruise/blasting, my balls probably hate me, and I am pretty sure I haven't produced meaningful sperm levels in about 2 months lol. But thats because test/deca is a male birth control at certain levels. But I am back to cruising.

Def. playing with fire bro, sometimes you gotta accept the risks.

**fizler** · 01-20-2010, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by cgb6810

I don't know if you'll recover. Saying you should recover fine though is nonsense. I know guys in their 20's that are on TRT. Even after seeking professional help to recover. One was on for 4 years straight (extreme example). Another was on for about a year (22 yr old) running test/tren . He did a thorough PCT but still ended up on TRT. Another guy I know was dabbling in AAS, not sure how well he ran PCT, but he's on androgel .

Everyone is different. I know guys that run no PCT and seem fine, have kids, all is well. And some that lactate.

I know a guy who is on TRT from taking 1AD...

**Bossman** · 01-20-2010, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by fizler

I know a guy who is on TRT from taking 1AD...

Yikes, the PH's can be pretty hard on your system too!

**sitries** · 01-21-2010, 10:57 AM

well iv tapered the test down to 250mg for the last 5 weeks or so and i plan on cutting this in half for 2 weeks. then waiting two weeks - then pct!!

would you guys run hcg in the 2weeks leading up to pct or use it during the 1st 2 weeks of pct??

even just dropping the test seems to have increased the size of my balls and im getting loads more morining wood which is strange considering im on letro at 2.5mg a day!