HELP! My first cycle.

[sammyss74]

Hello everyone first off i was close to starting what i thought was a cycle. After doing some reading i think its best to get some advice. I recently purchased some dbol 100-10mg pills. just thought i would take them until i heard about a test, still not certain what this is. im looking for a good (real) cycle. im 35 at 175 i have always been slim and never could gain weight till it recently hit my gut i have a 5 day work out plan that i like, bout a hour a day. I dont want to be huge 195 max with alot of definition. PLEASE HELP all and any advice welcome and encourgaged

[D7M]

height? approximate body fat?

[dsa8864667]

How long have you been lifting?

[E Police 183]

bf? diet? pct? HT? doesn't sound like your ready but please lets hear more. BTW your diet should be able to get you to gain some weight and put on muscle, if your not putting any on then your diet isn't in check.

[Nooomoto]

bf? diet? pct? HT? doesn't sound like your ready but please lets hear more. BTW your diet should be able to get you to gain some weight and put on muscle, if your not putting any on then your diet isn't in check.

x2...you need to do more research, bud. I don't think at 175 you need to worry about being "huge" in the near future.

[sammyss74]

height? approximate body fat?

5 10 and not quite sure but i would say low

[sammyss74]

bf? diet? pct? HT? doesn't sound like your ready but please lets hear more. BTW your diet should be able to get you to gain some weight and put on muscle, if your not putting any on then your diet isn't in check.

i eat
alot but no set diet

[sammyss74]

x2...you need to do more research, bud. I don't think at 175 you need to worry about being "huge" in the near future.

I def agree on both suggestions

[sammyss74]

How long have you been lifting?

not long this go around! about 6 weeks

[imanewbie]

sounds like you need to learn way more before taking a cycle. especially if you dont know what test is. dbol only is kinda dumb if you ask me...im a virgin though..only did once cycle...im sure you will hear more...

[jg2]

the good news is your in the right place to learn.....

the bad news is you wasted you money on a small pile of d-bol decorations...


im still learning way more than i can input... i read and read everyday.. so clear your mind the VETS are gonna blow it apart.. good luck

[G4R]

i eat
alot but no set diet

not long this go around! about 6 weeks

First off, you need to get into a set diet that is fit for your goals. Diet is going to be a HUGE factor in what you are able to obtain. Once your diet is set, you need to stay on it for quite a while. See what your body is able to do naturally before starting any type of gear.

You only started lifting weights about 6 weeks ago? You are still a long ways off. While there is no 'absolute' amount of time you should be lifting before you start using steroids , if you want to do it the right way, to limit sides and negative effects on your body, then you need to have a good training set going for a few years, not a few weeks.

Start off by going to the diet section here on the site, post your stats, and your current diet (or lack there of) with all of your macros (cals. carbs. protein fat) and let some of out members tweak a diet plan that will work for you according to your goals.

Good luck and BE CAREFUL

[Phate]

First off, you need to get into a set diet that is fit for your goals. Diet is going to be a HUGE factor in what you are able to obtain. Once your diet is set, you need to stay on it for quite a while. See what your body is able to do naturally before starting any type of gear.

You only started lifting weights about 6 weeks ago? You are still a long ways off. While there is no 'absolute' amount of time you should be lifting before you start using steroids , if you want to do it the right way, to limit sides and negative effects on your body, then you need to have a good training set going for a few years, not a few weeks.

Start off by going to the diet section here on the site, post your stats, and your current diet (or lack there of) with all of your macros (cals. carbs. protein fat) and let some of out members tweak a diet plan that will work for you according to your goals.

Good luck and BE CAREFUL

agreed, i bet we can help you get up to 190-200lbs over the next couple years if you are willing to work at it(all that without using AAS)

if you are willing we'll help you plan and learn to create diets and meals on the spot, once you get that down you'll be amazed at what you can do by just changing what you eat

[sammyss74]

agreed, i bet we can help you get up to 190-200lbs over the next couple years if you are willing to work at it(all that without using AAS)

if you are willing we'll help you plan and learn to create diets and meals on the spot, once you get that down you'll be amazed at what you can do by just changing what you eat

im down for the help! from all, without sounding like making excuses couple years is along time, which am willing to wait if i can see improvement soon and regular my concern and reason for the dbol , i was affraid of all pain and no gain im pretty slim with no fat to turn to muscle (if thats how it works) i will post some pics then let you guys decide p.s thanks everyone

[sammyss74]

First off, you need to get into a set diet that is fit for your goals. Diet is going to be a HUGE factor in what you are able to obtain. Once your diet is set, you need to stay on it for quite a while. See what your body is able to do naturally before starting any type of gear.

You only started lifting weights about 6 weeks ago? You are still a long ways off. While there is no 'absolute' amount of time you should be lifting before you start using steroids , if you want to do it the right way, to limit sides and negative effects on your body, then you need to have a good training set going for a few years, not a few weeks.

Start off by going to the diet section here on the site, post your stats, and your current diet (or lack there of) with all of your macros (cals. carbs. protein fat) and let some of out members tweak a diet plan that will work for you according to your goals.

Good luck and BE CAREFUL

i uploaded some pics and i am checking out a diet plan

[sammyss74]

it looks like i need 250 in protein 580 in carbs 115 in fat total 4125 cal now just need help with a meal plan the problem i have is i work. lol dont we all. i leave home at 6 and return home 5 after a hour at the gym i only have two breaks a day 9:30 and noon off at 3:30 with 3 grown kids to feed mon and tue and every other weekend so really dont have time to cook multiple meals

[sigman roid]

Make your way over to the diet forum they will be able to help you

[turborx7s]

it looks like i need 250 in protein 580 in carbs 115 in fat total 4125 cal now just need help with a meal plan the problem i have is i work. lol dont we all. i leave home at 6 and return home 5 after a hour at the gym i only have two breaks a day 9:30 and noon off at 3:30 with 3 grown kids to feed mon and tue and every other weekend so really dont have time to cook multiple meals

I haven't been around AAS all that much, but I'm confident in my diet plan. (uh-oh, time to tighten up the chin strap) I too leave home at 6 or earlier, and only have a 930 coffee break and noon lunch. Then off at 330. Here's my process -

I pretty much prepare most of my weeks food on Sunday afternoon/night. I boil 2 dozen eggs, cook 5 chicken breasts, 2 lbs. of lean beef tips, and a varied amount of whole wheat pasta.

My normal meals for a work day are as like this -

Leave 6AM - While on way to work I eat 2 cups natty oats, a banana, and 32 oz. of skim milk

9:30 - Fat free yogurt, 4 hard eggs (1 full, 3 whites) 4oz. walnuts and 2 cups of shredded wheat

12:00 - Pasta w/ meat, half portion of weight gainer shake, natty PB sandwich on wheat, 32 oz skim milk

3:30 - Protein shake + MET-RX bar


Sorry so long. Just trying to show if you take a little time to pre-plan, you can fit everything in. I just carry a large lunch box to work. I try to mix things up day to day, and any cals/prot/carbs I miss throughout the day, I just try to play catch up in the evening with snacks/dinner if needed.

Hope this helps.

Edit - Oh and if you want to talk about diet, do it in the uh, do it in the diet forum! Jeez...newbs I tell ya.

[sammyss74]

[QUOTE=turborx7s;5037834]I haven't been around AAS all that much, but I'm confident in my diet plan. (uh-oh, time to tighten up the chin strap) I too leave home at 6 or earlier, and only have a 930 coffee break and noon lunch. Then off at 330. Here's my process -

I pretty much prepare most of my weeks food on Sunday afternoon/night. I boil 2 dozen eggs, cook 5 chicken breasts, 2 lbs. of lean beef tips, and a varied amount of whole wheat pasta.

My normal meals for a work day are as like this -

Leave 6AM - While on way to work I eat 2 cups natty oats, a banana, and 32 oz. of skim milk

9:30 - Fat free yogurt, 4 hard eggs (1 full, 3 whites) 4oz. walnuts and 2 cups of shredded wheat

12:00 - Pasta w/ meat, half portion of weight gainer shake, natty PB sandwich on wheat, 32 oz skim milk

3:30 - Protein shake + MET-RX bar


Sorry so long. Just trying to show if you take a little time to pre-plan, you can fit everything in. I just carry a large lunch box to work. I try to mix things up day to day, and any cals/prot/carbs I miss throughout the day, I just try to play catch up in the evening with snacks/dinner if needed.

Hope this helps.

Edit - Oh and if you want to talk about diet, do it in the uh, do it in the diet forum! Jeez...newbs I tell ya.[/QU
that sounds achievable just a few ?s how about a nutritional energy drink n the morning that contains 6g fat 15g protein 33carb is that enough? and what about dinner? and is the nuts that important hate um and the shredded weat what can i supplement that with?

[turborx7s]

I wouldn't want to speculate on macro break downs for yourself. I'm confident with myself, for obvious reasons. Head to the diet side, one of the vets will be much better help. That being said, I'm not a HUGE fan of OTC drinks, I try to only use them if needed/jammed up, etc. The nuts have a good value in your diet. Calorie dense, protein, healthy fats. Hate all nuts? You have a few options. Shredded wheat...isn't exactly capt. crunch I know. I have a buddy who can't stand it, so he blends natty peanut butter in with his milk, then pours that over the cereal. Claims it makes it better, never tried it. There's always fruit?

[sammyss74]

ok thanks do some more research in the diet side

[Phate]

I haven't been around AAS all that much, but I'm confident in my diet plan. (uh-oh, time to tighten up the chin strap) I too leave home at 6 or earlier, and only have a 930 coffee break and noon lunch. Then off at 330. Here's my process -

I pretty much prepare most of my weeks food on Sunday afternoon/night. I boil 2 dozen eggs, cook 5 chicken breasts, 2 lbs. of lean beef tips, and a varied amount of whole wheat pasta.

My normal meals for a work day are as like this -

Leave 6AM - While on way to work I eat 2 cups natty oats, a banana, and 32 oz. of skim milk

9:30 - Fat free yogurt, 4 hard eggs (1 full, 3 whites) 4oz. walnuts and 2 cups of shredded wheat

12:00 - Pasta w/ meat, half portion of weight gainer shake, natty PB sandwich on wheat, 32 oz skim milk

3:30 - Protein shake + MET-RX bar


Sorry so long. Just trying to show if you take a little time to pre-plan, you can fit everything in. I just carry a large lunch box to work. I try to mix things up day to day, and any cals/prot/carbs I miss throughout the day, I just try to play catch up in the evening with snacks/dinner if needed.

Hope this helps.

Edit - Oh and if you want to talk about diet, do it in the uh, do it in the diet forum! Jeez...newbs I tell ya.

relax bro, it's his thread, he can talk about whatever he likes, if he says diet, then we talk diet

[turborx7s]

relax bro, it's his thread, he can talk about whatever he likes, if he says diet, then we talk diet

Hey Phate,

No worries! Guess it was a bad joke. I was ripping on myself for doing the whole diet breakdown in the non-diet forum. My bad.

[Phate]

Hey Phate,

No worries! Guess it was a bad joke. I was ripping on myself for doing the whole diet breakdown in the non-diet forum. My bad.

my bad, i'm feeling sick so i'm not in the best humor lol

[turborx7s]

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[Phate]

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as far as help on a first cycle, i wrote a guide for that, it's a sticky in this section called "test beginner cycle guide" or something like that, read through it

[sammyss74]

as far as help on a first cycle, i wrote a guide for that, it's a sticky in this section called "test beginner cycle guide" or something like that, read through it

k thanks checking into it now

[sammyss74]

i really need some feed back on the pics how much work do i have ahead of me
?

[turborx7s]

IMO? A good bit. Get to work, and keep learning!

[Phate]

i really need some feed back on the pics how much work do i have ahead of me
?

that depends, write out your exact goals and we'll help you figure out a time frame

[MONEY AND MASS]

If I was in ur shoes I'd sell the d-bol and buy some beef and quinoa

[sammyss74]

that depends, write out your exact goals and we'll help you figure out a time frame

well i would like to be 185ish and cut with a chest any kind of chest and bigger arms i guess upper body with definition. and as for the dbol its up in the cabinet going to try this the old fashion way first, guess i was looking for now and easy results. def going to need everyone ones support been great so far thanks

[Phate]

well i would like to be 185ish and cut with a chest any kind of chest and bigger arms i guess upper body with definition. and as for the dbol its up in the cabinet going to try this the old fashion way first, guess i was looking for now and easy results. def going to need everyone ones support been great so far thanks

i'll be honest bro, it's probably going to take a year or two to get where you want to be if you work at it diligently

you need to gain 15-20lbs of muscle at least(which will take a couple years at least) and cut down quite a bit, but it's easily doable and if you take 2 years to get yourself experienced in the gym and get used to how your body responds to dieting, then in a couple years you can start a cycle and really speed up your results, but it won't help until you know your body inside and out, and the only way to do that is to give it time

[breakbones]

You need to work on a solid diet bro

[wsraiders]

If your lifting 5 to 6 days a week and eating 5to 6 meals a day i would just start popping that d-bol now,two pills a day for 3 and a half 4 weeks. I started my d-bol cycle it's been 3 weeks i never could put on weight i put on weight finally and putting up so much more weight 30 pounds on just about every machine and 60 pounds on bench press, everyone at my gym notice a difference ask me how i get so big so fast, kind of fell like im cheating but love it!!! Lots of people hate on d-bol only cycles i noticed but it's working for me.

[turborx7s]

If your lifting 5 to 6 days a week and eating 5to 6 meals a day i would just start popping that d-bol now,two pills a day for 3 and a half 4 weeks. I started my d-bol cycle it's been 3 weeks i never could put on weight i put on weight finally and putting up so much more weight 30 pounds on just about every machine and 60 pounds on bench press, everyone at my gym notice a difference ask me how i get so big so fast, kind of fell like im cheating but love it!!! Lots of people hate on d-bol only cycles i noticed but it's working for me.

But what happens when the dbol runs out?

[Phate]

If your lifting 5 to 6 days a week and eating 5to 6 meals a day i would just start popping that d-bol now,two pills a day for 3 and a half 4 weeks. I started my d-bol cycle it's been 3 weeks i never could put on weight i put on weight finally and putting up so much more weight 30 pounds on just about every machine and 60 pounds on bench press, everyone at my gym notice a difference ask me how i get so big so fast, kind of fell like im cheating but love it!!! Lots of people hate on d-bol only cycles i noticed but it's working for me.

Let me explain why you have no idea what you're talking about

1) Dbol is hepatotoxic, meaning it's liver toxic, you taking any liver support or pct with that cycle?

2) The gains you are seeing from size are due to water retention focused in the subcutaneous water layer between fat and muscle, on that same point, water retention causes high blood pressure and puts additional stress on joints, and since your lifts are increasing, you are putting even more pressure on them

3) I touched on this earlier, but i don't hear mention of a pct, which equates to "Bye bye gains"

4) On the subject of strength gains, those won't stay any longer than you have the dbol in your system, you may end up a bit stronger than before, but not by much

5) Turbo already mentioned this, but it's a good point, what happens when the dbol runs out? Are you going to just get more and just keep doing dbol cycles? It's pointless

Orals like dbol and anadrol are great additions to cycles where their specific advantages can be used(such as kicking in the same day as opposed to weeks), but they are pointless by themselves(with the exception of var/tbol cycles)

[c-Z]

^^^ Listen to what phate says..... It can not be explained any better.

[wsraiders]

Even if i only keep half my added strength i would be happy, the point is to get stronger so can get bigger without any help from steriods at least it gets the ball rolling. He's not looking to be a over grown brute he said he just wanted to add a few pounds it will help my diet and work ethic in gym has risen so can only help, i don't see how it wouldn't. Even if i only did some every few months would help me and is helping me!!!

[Phate]

Even if i only keep half my added strength i would be happy, the point is to get stronger so can get bigger without any help from steriods at least it gets the ball rolling. He's not looking to be a over grown brute he said he just wanted to add a few pounds it will help my diet and work ethic in gym has risen so can only help, i don't see how it wouldn't. Even if i only did some every few months would help me and is helping me!!!

you won't be saying that if you keep running oral cycles, you're going to desiccate your liver, not to mention the hundreds of other processes you are screwing with that you don't even know about