Experienced? Please Comment!

**coldopm** · 01-24-2010, 09:18 PM

Hello All,

I am new to the forums as far as a poster, I read frequently. I am going to post my cycle and would like some EXPERIENCED feedback. I would like you to keep in mind that I am currently in Mexico so certain gear is not available here, readily anyways. My goal overall is to gain muscle mass while reducing body fat %'s.

My Cycle and Routine will look like this:

Cardio is done each and every day in the gym and day 7 is full rest day..

Week 1

Day 1: Shot Sustenon 250, 1 - 20mcg tab of Clenbuterol / Chest and Tris
Day 2: 2 Clen Tabs / Back and Bis
Day 3: 3 Clen Tabs / Shoulders and Legs
Day 4: Shot Sust 250, 4 Clen Tabs / Chest and Tris
Day 5: 4 Clen Tabs / Back and Bis
Day 6: Regular Weight and Cardio Routine, Drug Free / Shoulders & Legs
Day 7: Off

Weeks 3-8 will be very similar except I will be upping my dose of Clen as I see fit to a maximum at the end of 3 weeks of 100mcg. Weeks 4 and 5 will be Clen free only dosing 250mg of Sustenon two times per week. Weeks 6,7 and 8 will repeat the doseage of Clenbuterol while maintaining the same dosage and frequency of Sustenon 250. After week 8 I will have some downtime and reasses my goals.

Lets just start with my program. What do you think? Please if you have a cousin in Memphis that gears and are thinking about providing third hand suggestions....Don't!

I have been on and off of the Gym for many years, lately I had lost alot of my ambition, but it is back and it's on!

**Big** · 01-24-2010, 09:21 PM

welcome. could you just write out the cycle in typical fashion? let's take this one step at a time.

**coldopm** · 01-24-2010, 09:24 PM

Well first I would like to say I F'ing love your avatar! Traditional fashion I don't quite get what you mean? Sorry to seem ignorant but could you explain how traditional fashion would appear?

**FranciscoG** · 01-24-2010, 09:25 PM

Include your PCT also.

Also what are your goals exactly?

Stats, age, bf%, hight, lifting experience, and so on...

**Phate** · 01-24-2010, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by coldopm

Well first I would like to say I F'ing love your avatar! Traditional fashion I don't quite get what you mean? Sorry to seem ignorant but could you explain how traditional fashion would appear?

certainly, a test/dbol cycle would look like this

1-12 Test Enth 500mg/wk shot 2x a week
1-4 Dbol 40mg/day

**coldopm** · 01-24-2010, 09:33 PM

OK

1-8 Sutenon 250mg/wk 2x a week
1-3 Clenbuterol 20mcg up to 100mcg / day

As far as my short term goal(s) to burn excess body fat while supporting lean muscle growth.

Long term goal(s) to maintain a healthy 8-10% BF with a solid defined frame, ultimate goal weight of 205.

Stats:

5'10", 230lbs, 33 years old, lifting experience is broad over the years like I mentioned it has been on and off, I consider myself to be experienced around the weights. BF% is not known at this point, have not ever tested it....

**MONEY AND MASS** · 01-24-2010, 09:36 PM

4got pct...

**Phate** · 01-24-2010, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by MONEY AND MASS

4got pct...

yep

Originally Posted by coldopm

OK

1-8 Sutenon 250mg/wk 2x a week
1-3 Clenbuterol 20mcg up to 100mcg / day

As far as my short term goal(s) to burn excess body fat while supporting lean muscle growth.

Long term goal(s) to maintain a healthy 8-10% BF with a solid defined frame, ultimate goal weight of 205.

Stats:

5'10", 230lbs, 33 years old, lifting experience is broad over the years like I mentioned it has been on and off, I consider myself to be experienced around the weights. BF% is not known at this point, have not ever tested it....

well if your goal is burning fat and building lean muscle then you're diet needs to be on point 24/7, not to mention cardio and such, post your diet in detail for critique

**coldopm** · 01-24-2010, 09:40 PM

So I did, I am not definate on my PCT was hoping someone would throw a recommendation my way, again I am in Mexico so....

**coldopm** · 01-24-2010, 09:42 PM

Diet in short is as follows:

50% protiens, 30% good carbs and 20% good fats. Very breif and to the point I know. I eat 5-6 times a day. The sixth is usually a protein mix before bed to avoid a late night carb snack.

My cardio is Daily 30-45minutes of interval training (usually on the treadmill) always after my strength training!

**FranciscoG** · 01-24-2010, 09:44 PM

Where in mexico are you.

You need nolvadex , HCG , or HMG for PCT

I guess I dont understand. All these drugs are available pretty much in both states in Mexico I have lived in. Are you American in Mexico?

You can get more of these Plus, anavar or what have you in Mexico.

I would run either Dbol or anavar as an oral for the first 4 weeks also.

**coldopm** · 01-24-2010, 09:51 PM

So you feel PharmDoc that my cycle should look as follows:

1-8 500mg Sustenon 2x/week
1-4 Dbol Oral 25mg/day?
1-3 20-100mcg Clen
4-5 No Clen
6-8 20-100mcg Clen

PCT Nolvadex

How does this look to those of you following my thread? Anyone care to expand on the PCT regimen?

**coldopm** · 01-24-2010, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by PharmDoc-Cyrus

Where in mexico are you.

You need nolvadex , HCG , or HMG for PCT

I guess I dont understand. All these drugs are available pretty much in both states in Mexico I have lived in. Are you American in Mexico?

You can get more of these Plus, anavar or what have you in Mexico.

I would run either Dbol or anavar as an oral for the first 4 weeks also.

There are alot of states in Mexico, would you say that you bought Nolvadex at Pharmacia Guadalajara?

**FranciscoG** · 01-24-2010, 10:30 PM

I am in Quan Roo.

Wal-mart carried nolv.

You need HCG also.

Just get on the phone and all around. This board prohibits discussing prices even if its legal.

Wal-mart´s nolv is more expensive than the generic Pharmas.

Ask for Pregnyl when you call for the HCG, The attendant wont know what HCG is.

There is no Dbol pharmacy side, but the vet stores carry dbol and winstrol .

If you are sticking to human grade the best anavar i ever had is Mexicano. Atlantis Pharma of Mexico city makes 2.5mg pills and sold generically as Utendrol, 30 pills a box. it is also OTC here are very available.

Just get on the phone and call around. Pharmacia Paris is good but i doñt know if your state has one.

**FranciscoG** · 01-24-2010, 10:36 PM

Oh and about the sust. I would run primotestin in place of the sust redis bro.

The primotestin is half the cost and comes in 1.1ml vials 275mg of test ent. (They are maked 1 ml 250mg but they are all over filled)

The gayest sust in Mexican, some idiot decided to spend more money on packageing that this version of sust than any other for of sust.

Sos 250 in mexico is over priced to to each and every one being in a GLASS prefilled presealed package.

And, for the love of Christ don´t use that 20G 1.5 inch pin the preload box. get you 23-25G pins.

**coldopm** · 01-24-2010, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by PharmDoc-Cyrus

I am in Quan Roo.

Wal-mart carried nolv.

You need HCG also.

Just get on the phone and all around. This board prohibits discussing prices even if its legal.

Wal-mart´s nolv is more expensive than the generic Pharmas.

Ask for Pregnyl when you call for the HCG, The attendant wont know what HCG is.

There is no Dbol pharmacy side, but the vet stores carry dbol and winstrol .

If you are sticking to human grade the best anavar i ever had is Mexicano. Atlantis Pharma of Mexico city makes 2.5mg pills and sold generically as Utendrol, 30 pills a box. it is also OTC here are very available.

Just get on the phone and call around. Pharmacia Paris is good but i doñt know if your state has one.

Wat would be the purpose to run 4 weeks of Anavar with the Sust (which btw I already have so Primo is not an option for this run) Also for my PCT I have 30-10mg tablets of Nolvadex and will pick up the Pregnyl.

Please advise....

**FranciscoG** · 01-24-2010, 11:04 PM

An oral does help get the cycle started the first 4-6 weeks, oral aid the gains and help the over-all cycle.

I would say get anavar over dbol cause of the difference in the two chemicals. If you are trying to cut 25 pounds and loss body fat anavar better serves that. Dbol is a good aas but over-all not as well a hardener over in many ways as good of an steroid that anavar is.

**coldopm** · 01-24-2010, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by PharmDoc-Cyrus

An oral does help get the cycle started the first 4-6 weeks, oral aid the gains and help the over-all cycle.

I would say get anavar over dbol cause of the difference in the two chemicals. If you are trying to cut 25 pounds and loss body fat anavar better serves that. Dbol is a good aas but over-all not as well a hardener over in many ways as good of an steroid that anavar is.

OK so all this said my final cycle looks like this:

1-8 500mg Sust 2x/week
1-4 100mg Anavar 1x/daily
1-3 20-100mcgs Clen 1x/daily
4-5 No Clen / Finished Anavar
6-8 20-100mcgs Clen 1x/Daily

PCT is:

Reasses goals**

1-2 20mg Nolvadex 1x/daily
1-2 Pregnyl (dosage unknown) 1x/daily

Now all the variables known what doseage of Pregnyl should I incorporate into my PCT?

**FranciscoG** · 01-24-2010, 11:20 PM

50mg anavar is enough per day.

Pct:

Run the hcg and nolv for 4 weeks.

Start your PCT 2 weeks after your last shot.
The HCG you will buy will be supplied in no smaller amounts than 5000 IU amps. There is a direction for use in the boxes. There are many ways to administer HCG in terms of dosages. IMHO, you will not need more than 5000 IU in a week. Research it.

**coldopm** · 01-24-2010, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by PharmDoc-Cyrus

50mg anavar is enough per day.

Pct:

Run the hcg and nolv for 4 weeks.

Start your PCT 2 weeks after your last shot.
The HCG you will buy will be supplied in no smaller amounts than 5000 IU amps. There is a direction for use in the boxes. There are many ways to administer HCG in terms of dosages. IMHO, you will not need more than 5000 IU in a week. Research it.

I appriciate all your input, it is very insightful. I will do more research on my PCT and probably have many more questions. Thank you for your help!