Good alternative to tren?

**dan2008** · 01-25-2010, 10:39 AM

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me what good alternatives there are for tren (to stack with test) to get lean mass without the water retention

My last cycle I bulked for 12 weeks on tri tren (450mgpw) + t enth (750mgpw), I went from 82kg to 92kg, I'm currently on 5th week of pct (tamoxifen and arimidex ) I ran hcg at 125iu ed throughout cycle
I've lost a bit of strength and size so far but I'm pleased with how my gains are keeping

I'm now looking at doing a cutting cycle (have been loving every minute of eating 4000cal/day, but all good things have to come to an end) pct and hcg I will run at same dosage as before.

I'm looking to start my next cycle at the end of feb, I'm in no rush to start. Any help appreciated

Age: 23
height: 6' 2"
weight: 92kg
gym experience: 4 years

**dan2008** · 01-25-2010, 10:44 AM

Bf: 13%

**amcon** · 01-25-2010, 11:04 AM

nothing is like tren , i think what you are looking for is lean muscle gains with out the water retention...

but first - remember you either cut or bulk not both

so if you the beni of tren and test is the tren keeps you dry and the test/tren adds nice muscle... if you want to duplicate that there are lots of combos - go search steroid proflies and read up adn come back with a few products you like then we can advise you.

also, why are you against the water retention?

***D7M*** · 01-25-2010, 11:18 AM

I think you're a bit on the young side to be cycling, especially with tren .

But generally speaking, the only thing that can come close to tren is higher doses of var (100mg/day).

**laduem88** · 01-25-2010, 01:13 PM

masteron is a good alternative

**polly56** · 01-25-2010, 01:27 PM

agree'd with both^...

I can tell you from experiance, when i was younger i got shut down long and hard from tren ...

if i could go back I would have took masteron instead

**Vitruvian-Man** · 01-25-2010, 01:35 PM

Yup, Var @ 100mg can harden/cut you up similar to tren ; but it comes at a price, lol.

Otherwise masteron @ 400 - 600mg EW can harden you up pretty well too.

**Rex9933** · 01-25-2010, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by D7M

I think you're a bit on the young side to be cycling, especially with tren .

But generally speaking, the only thing that can come close to tren is higher doses of var (100mg/day).

i would agree. my boy swears by it. 700mg of mast would be next

**laduem88** · 01-25-2010, 03:38 PM

yea var @ 100mg is amazing..cant wait to start it with masteron

**Rex9933** · 01-25-2010, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by laduem88

yea var @ 100mg is amazing..cant wait to start it with masteron

100mg of each is probably sickkkkk

**laduem88** · 01-25-2010, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rex9933

100mg of each is probably sickkkkk

well 100mg of var and 75mg of masteron a day is going to be sick haha...hell 75mg ed of just masteron is sick

**bjpennnn** · 01-25-2010, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by laduem88

well 100mg of var and 75mg of masteron a day is going to be sick haha...hell 75mg ed of just masteron is sick

ya i think i am getting an i love mast tattttooo

**Hazard** · 01-25-2010, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

ya i think i am getting an i love mast tattttooo

Man..... i've been anti-masteron because of my hair complex..... but all this masteron talk is really making me want to try it LOLOLOL

~Haz~

**Mooseman33** · 01-25-2010, 04:45 PM

go ahead Haz, before long ur hairline will look like the french army....in full retreat....

**Hazard** · 01-25-2010, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

go ahead Haz, before long ur hairline will look like the french army....in full retreat....

Great.... thanks..... now i'm not doing it again..... I can't lose my damn hair LOL

~Haz~

**Rex9933** · 01-25-2010, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by laduem88

well 100mg of var and 75mg of masteron a day is going to be sick haha...hell 75mg ed of just masteron is sick

lol, got ya

**bjpennnn** · 01-25-2010, 05:12 PM

haz you already going bald? My hair thinned big time on it, but i put a lot of time in between cycle so i figure i will let it grow back a bit. How do you know if you got male pattern baldness? My dad is bald, my mom has tonsssss of hair and all my grandparetns had tons of hair you guys think i am ok?

**Hazard** · 01-25-2010, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

haz you already going bald? My hair thinned big time on it, but i put a lot of time in between cycle so i figure i will let it grow back a bit. How do you know if you got male pattern baldness? My dad is bald, my mom has tonsssss of hair and all my grandparetns had tons of hair you guys think i am ok?

I see my hairline (in the corners of my forehead) going back further...... and no one denies it when I bring it up.... they all just laugh. FvCK masteron LOL..... i'll stick with test and propecia LOL

~Haz~

**laduem88** · 01-25-2010, 07:18 PM

so far the hair is perfect, knock on wood it stays that way

**dan2008** · 01-27-2010, 02:11 PM

i read that masteron 's only effective if you have a very low bf%, is this correct?
im against water retenion because i think hard lean mass is the way to go, especially if you want to keep as much as possible.

How does this sound for my next cycle?

Tri test 350 (75mg prop 75mg cyp 200mg enth) 2 x weekly

anavar (50mg tabs) 2 x daily (morning and evening)

Running for 10 weeks......? hows that sound?

**marcus300** · 01-27-2010, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

I see my hairline (in the corners of my forehead) going back further...... and no one denies it when I bring it up.... they all just laugh. FvCK masteron LOL..... i'll stick with test and propecia LOL

~Haz~

come on admit it, your bald

**Hazard** · 01-27-2010, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

come on admit it, your bald

LMFAO! OH HELL NO! lololol

When that day comes..... a piece of me will die forever.....

btw..... you should really do something about that egg shaped head of yours..... doesn't look healthy LOLOLOL

~Haz~

**marcus300** · 01-27-2010, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

LMFAO! OH HELL NO! lololol

When that day comes..... a piece of me will die forever.....

btw..... you should really do something about that egg shaped head of yours..... doesn't look healthy LOLOLOL

~Haz~

duk told me you was bald as my egg shaped head

**Ashop** · 01-27-2010, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by dan2008

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me what good alternatives there are for tren (to stack with test) to get lean mass without the water retention

My last cycle I bulked for 12 weeks on tri tren (450mgpw) + t enth (750mgpw), I went from 82kg to 92kg, I'm currently on 5th week of pct (tamoxifen and arimidex ) I ran hcg at 125iu ed throughout cycle
I've lost a bit of strength and size so far but I'm pleased with how my gains are keeping

I'm now looking at doing a cutting cycle (have been loving every minute of eating 4000cal/day, but all good things have to come to an end) pct and hcg I will run at same dosage as before.

I'm looking to start my next cycle at the end of feb, I'm in no rush to start. Any help appreciated

Age: 23
height: 6' 2"
weight: 92kg
gym experience: 4 years

There is no other drug I'm aware of like TREN.
Good things to harden though MASTERON , HALOTESTIN , WINSTROL

**darkcrayz** · 01-27-2010, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

haz you already going bald? My hair thinned big time on it, but i put a lot of time in between cycle so i figure i will let it grow back a bit. How do you know if you got male pattern baldness? My dad is bald, my mom has tonsssss of hair and all my grandparetns had tons of hair you guys think i am ok?

your mother's father is determinate of male hair pattern baldness. it is passed geneticaly from mothers. if your grandpa on your mom's side has a full head of hair you should be good to go, or at least better off.