pct when using tren

[Diamond*K]

my buddy's a bodybuilder and hes been doin steroids for 5 yrs straight.
now hes a big fan of tren.. and lately he wants 2 take pct. he doesnt plan to stop taking test or tren lol or w/e he's on ...


soo my question.. he was tellin me he was gonna take nolvadex. and i remember readin and im sure it was sumwhere on here that u should take letrzole when on tren cuz nolvadex and clomid are a bad combo with tren.
or maybe just not the greatest??

any1 have any info on that? i'd like 2 fwrd it 2 him.

thanx for any info

[D7M]

What?

He does know what PCT is, right?

The point of pct is restart your natural test production, and that's pretty much impossible if you continue using suppressive compounds like tren/test.

If he wants to get off, then he needs to stop the drugs and run a pct. Bottom line.

But to answer your question generally, yes, you can use nolva with Tren (either in pct or on cycle).

[marcus300]

my buddy's a bodybuilder and hes been doin steroids for 5 yrs straight.
now hes a big fan of tren.. and lately he wants 2 take pct. he doesnt plan to stop taking test or tren lol or w/e he's on ...


soo my question.. he was tellin me he was gonna take nolvadex. and i remember readin and im sure it was sumwhere on here that u should take letrzole when on tren cuz nolvadex and clomid are a bad combo with tren.
or maybe just not the greatest??

any1 have any info on that? i'd like 2 fwrd it 2 him.

thanx for any info

Doesnt make sense!!

[Diamond*K]

Doesnt make sense!!

i kno... he's beein taking almost everything for 5 years w/o a break...
now he's taking pct stuff ....and hes still taking test.

i dnt kno wat 2 tell him....i dnt get it either.
i think i live around sum dumb ppl lol

[Diamond*K]

its so frustratin coz most ppl are iether taking winny ponly or dbol only cycles.. and not using test. and other ppl are goin nuts usuin everything they get their hands on.

2 bad my friend thinks he can have kids... i really doubt he can...

[CanYouDigIt]

you can tell him, that he needs to do a pct, for like few months, and a pretty harsh pct, which I can't tell you exactly what it is, will need to ask seniors,

but he will also more then likely be on HRT for the rest of his life, hope he's 260 pounds of muscle or else staying on juice for 5 years was worthless.

[CanYouDigIt]

if he can have babies while being 5 years on tren/test without doing 1 pct, he must have some amazing boys down there.

[Diamond*K]

you can tell him, that he needs to do a pct, for like few months, and a pretty harsh pct, which I can't tell you exactly what it is, will need to ask seniors,

but he will also more then likely be on HRT for the rest of his life, hope he's 260 pounds of muscle or else staying on juice for 5 years was worthless.

hes 5'6 and over 200lbs
he was 230 ish 5 years ago when he did his comp. and he usually stays under 10% bf

dnt get me wrong he looks amazing. but fukin dumb idea 2 keep himself on for 5 yrs straight.

[marcus300]

i kno... he's beein taking almost everything for 5 years w/o a break...
now he's taking pct stuff ....and hes still taking test.

i dnt kno wat 2 tell him....i dnt get it either.
i think i live around sum dumb ppl lol

He might aswell stop taking PCT its completely useless to him if he is still taking some form of Test, its pointless.

I'd stop worrying about him because its clear he isnt bothered about his health why should you be..

[Diamond*K]

if he can have babies while being 5 years on tren/test without doing 1 pct, he must have some amazing boys down there.

i dnt think he can....i honestly think he will nvr have kids... he will need 2 stop and do hcg just in HOPES of havin a kid.

but anyways i kno he gets b*tch tits sumtims and i read that taking nolvadex can make it worse if ur still on tren. i just dnt want him 2 fuk up him body more than he already has....

[Diamond*K]

He might aswell stop taking PCT its completely useless to him if he is still taking some form of Test, its pointless.

I'd stop worrying about him because its clear he isnt bothered about his health why should you be..

true.

yea i guess i shouldnt wrry.. he wont listen much anyways....

[Mooseman33]

He might aswell stop taking PCT its completely useless to him if he is still taking some form of Test, its pointless.

I'd stop worrying about him because its clear he isnt bothered about his health why should you be..

perfect post big fella....

[Ashop]

my buddy's a bodybuilder and hes been doin steroids for 5 yrs straight.
now hes a big fan of tren.. and lately he wants 2 take pct. he doesnt plan to stop taking test or tren lol or w/e he's on ...


soo my question.. he was tellin me he was gonna take nolvadex. and i remember readin and im sure it was sumwhere on here that u should take letrzole when on tren cuz nolvadex and clomid are a bad combo with tren.
or maybe just not the greatest??

any1 have any info on that? i'd like 2 fwrd it 2 him.

thanx for any info

His PCT should be CLOMID and NOLVA for 3 weeks after cycle.

[RANA]

His PCT should be CLOMID and NOLVA for 3 weeks after cycle.

Not sure if that will help after 5 years straight of test and tren

[Phate]

His PCT should be CLOMID and NOLVA for 3 weeks after cycle.

huh? after 5 years of straight use with 19-nors as well, it's gonna take ALOT more than that


Diamond- Tell your friend to either get on here and learn or go to an endo so the doctor can tell him how much he's screwing himself up

[dece870717]

For PCT I would try nolva 20mg/ED clomid 100mg/ED and HCG at least 250iu every 3 days along with aromasin 20mg/ED for 3-4 months. But nothing is guaranteed if he went on cycle for 5 years straight, he may not be able to recover to a normal state with decent test levels ever and just have to do HRT.

[Bonaparte]

Your friend is a lost cause. Even if he knew what he were doing and had the assistance of an excellent endocrinologist, I doubt he could ever recover.

[Diamond*K]

huh? after 5 years of straight use with 19-nors as well, it's gonna take ALOT more than that


Diamond- Tell your friend to either get on here and learn or go to an endo so the doctor can tell him how much he's screwing himself up

personally i think he's already fuk'd.
he tells his doc he does steroids but he says he "dabbles"
lol dabbling 2 him is keeping around 500 mg of test per week. LOL

i sent him an email 2day sayin he should try 2 get off the juice and just do sum pct and see wat happens.
( i didnt get an email back)

y do ppl take that kinda risk i dnt get it. beauty over health??

[hankdiesel]

He needs to see an endochronologist and get his hormones straight. Ths dude needs to stop everything and get blood work done.

[dece870717]

personally i think he's already fuk'd.
he tells his doc he does steroids but he says he "dabbles"
lol dabbling 2 him is keeping around 500 mg of test per week. LOL

i sent him an email 2day sayin he should try 2 get off the juice and just do sum pct and see wat happens.
( i didnt get an email back)

y do ppl take that kinda risk i dnt get it. beauty over health??

People do this kind of thing simply because of body dysmorphic disorders(bigorexia). Basically all bodybuilders have it to an extent and some have it too much and take it to the extreme and don't care about there health.

[Phate]

personally i think he's already fuk'd.
he tells his doc he does steroids but he says he "dabbles"
lol dabbling 2 him is keeping around 500 mg of test per week. LOL

i sent him an email 2day sayin he should try 2 get off the juice and just do sum pct and see wat happens.
( i didnt get an email back)

y do ppl take that kinda risk i dnt get it. beauty over health??

ignorance of the risks most of the time, if people understood what happens when you abuse steroids they would be much more hesitant

[Diamond*K]

he thinks he's completely healthy coz he gets full physicals all the time and they do ultra sounds for his entire body... but thats only half of it isnt it? lik he prolly cant have kids and doesnt even kno it...

i like cumin on here and getting sum real info.... bcoz ppl in my twn think using pct on ur cycle will boost ur test ur natty test aswell..... when ur still on ur cycle! LOL
and im not a guy.. so its nice that i can get sum info on it and ask other ppl... that way i can atleast talk 2 the guys around my age...and keep them from f*kin up their body...

[wharton]

he thinks he's completely healthy coz he gets full physicals all the time and they do ultra sounds for his entire body... but thats only half of it isnt it? lik he prolly cant have kids and doesnt even kno it...

i like cumin on here and getting sum real info.... bcoz ppl in my twn think using pct on ur cycle will boost ur test ur natty test aswell..... when ur still on ur cycle! LOL
and im not a guy.. so its nice that i can get sum info on it and ask other ppl... that way i can atleast talk 2 the guys around my age...and keep them from f*kin up their body...

There is stil a chance he will recover some people just bounce back I've done a cycle for over a year and was fully recovered in 2months with HCG and Nova only. Had a kid and am now back on cycle with no problems. First he needs to get off all the steds and run a good PCT for 8weeks then wait 2 weeks and get bloods done, depending on the results he can go from there.

[BJJ]

The point of pct is restart your natural test production, and that's pretty much impossible if you continue using suppressive compounds like tren/test.

I'd stop worrying about him because its clear he isnt bothered about his health why should you be..

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