Want to switch from SUS to TEST ETH.. But have questions

[jbone22187]

Now i have been on Sus for 8 weeks 250MLs a week, this friday will be my 9th week. im not likng the gains or improvement on my body with the sus. the first 6 weeks was incredible and yes there was a huge improvement i know it was very short time. But i want to switch from sus to test after this last week. can someone please help me out.

thngs to know..

this is my VERY FIRST cycle ever. so im very open to opinions and what i need or should do.

please help

[CanYouDigIt]

you do understand that test sus is way stronguer then test E right?

and if your body is not making gains anymore is because your not gonna make amazing gains for 12 weeks straight. normaly after first 8 weeks your gains drop to almost nothing.

so how about you post what are your gains up till now, and what's ur pct and ur stats.

[redz]

you do understand that test sus is way stronguer then test E right?

There is literally no foundation to this claim.....

and if your body is not making gains anymore is because your not gonna make amazing gains for 12 weeks straight. normaly after first 8 weeks your gains drop to almost nothing.

I notice the best gains come around week 8-12 personally so again I have no idea what you are talking about.
Back to the original poster...
give us some stats and what you have planned for pct, also your cycle was poorly planned out and you were running a very low dose.

[jbone22187]

so how do i keep gaining?? im not familiar with certain lingo like pct. and my gains i havent gained any weight im 6' 200. and i benched 185 prior now 255. and everything fluctuates for some reason.

[redz]

im not familiar with certain lingo like pct.

This is a scary statement.... Post Cycle Therapy

[jbone22187]

well im sorry im not as fimiliar as you. im not really sure as in my PCT got someone who s going to help me out wth all that after 20 weeks.

[redz]

well im sorry im not as fimiliar as you. im not really sure as in my PCT got someone who s going to help me out wth all that after 20 weeks.

Holy crap...you are a lossed cause.....

[jbone22187]

well it would be nice if you could help me out reason why im on the site. askng for help before its to late

[jbone22187]

i know novadex will be a big part of my pct

[CanYouDigIt]

redz there is alot of foundation to my claim, sus has more potency then test e per mg, do your research bro.

and I shouldn't have commented on sus as for gains are better early stages because I haven't used it yet, so I do appologise for that statement.

20 weeks of cycle without any pct planned? kinda harsh...

your natural system and gains depend on a good pct, might wanna take a look into it.

[jbone22187]

well if you could help with a good pct plan then tht be good

[redz]

Seriously, I will help but you need to do alot more research. A cycle should last around 12 weeks not 20, you will be shut down hard after 20 weeks and recovery willt ake longer, you should also have your pct on hand before starting which should consist of Nolva and Clomid. Also you should have atleast had some Nolva on hand in case of estrogen side effects. Sustanon needs to be shot eod (every other day) to keep blood
levels stable and I`m guessing you were shooting it once per week though. Test E should be shot twice per week say Monday and thursday. The dosage should be about 500mg/week. You pct should start 2 weeks after your last test E injection, any questions?

[IGot80HD]

youve got a lot of reading to do. search this forum. here is just one post on PCT

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

make sure have the right pc products by the time you have your last inj if not 2 weeks later AT THE LATEST

[CanYouDigIt]

I wish I could, but 20 weeks it out of my league, normaly it's 4 weeks of nolvadex and clomid, going from 40/20/20/20 and 100/50/50/50, and some like it 20/20/20/20/20 50/50/50/50/50, and there is different compounds also,

but your cycle is 20 weeks which is another 8 weeks ontop of what this pct is aim for, so might need to be longuer or take extra stuff. which I cannot help you with,

only people with more knowledge in pct will be able to.

[jbone22187]

what are some side effects of estrogen that should be lookng for. i did just jump iinto this without homework being done. also if i should be doing the sus every other day how much should have been shooting instead of 250mls a week.

[IGot80HD]

85mg eod . . . or so. the math isnt that hard.

puffy nips. itchy nips. sensitive nips. possible lumps or balls under nips. bitch tits.

read up on pct and try to get everything ASAP.

[redz]

redz there is alot of foundation to my claim, sus has more potency then test e per mg, do your research bro.

You are wrong out right.......

check this link.....http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4131783

A shot of 250mg of Test E yields 177.5mg
Sustanon 250 broken down as follows...
Prop 30mg(24 without ester)
Phenylprop 60mg (39.6)
isocaporate 60mg (43.2)
deconate 100mg (62)

So you can see that adds up to 168mg out of the 250 so as I originaly stated Test E is more potent mg for mg.

[jbone22187]

SOO will i be okay switching from sus to test??

[c-Z]

Test is test? only difference from e and sus is the esters... Not like OMG sus is 1000X better u will get huge off it... No...

[redz]

SOO will i be okay switching from sus to test??

Yes you will be fine but shoot it twice per week.

[c-Z]

OK as to OP.... 250mg a week of sust? really isnt all that much. so you wont see much gains. Although your diet will yield the best results in the long run. But at such a low dose.. You shouldnt expect much. personally. I would go into PCT. Take time off. And kick back with say 500mgs test e. You only have a few weeks left.... And upping your dose so late in.. I dont see a reason to even bother.

[lexruger]

i think canyoudigit thougt he was using test suspension not sustanon as per his first post

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

you are wrong out right.......

Check this link.....http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4131783

a shot of 250mg of test e yields 177.5mg
sustanon 250 broken down as follows...
Prop 30mg(24 without ester)
phenylprop 60mg (39.6)
isocaporate 60mg (43.2)
deconate 100mg (62)

so you can see that adds up to 168mg out of the 250 so as i originaly stated test e is more potent mg for mg.

thanks redz.... I was gonna read all the posts before i quoted him on that, but the fvcking name alone should give it away even if its test e 250. If it were 200mg test e it would still be almost as potent. So that was crazy but i was waiting for you to rebound on that so i didn't have to and i haven't even been here that long and i did the math in my head so its a given.

Op- you should be running around 500mg a wk of test on your first cycle. So instead of one shot of the 250 a week. Go every other day and do your own division on it and calculate how much each pin should be and plan it out from there. Hurry and get the pct, you don't want anyone to be giving you excuses when its too late and the hpta is shut down. And 20 weeks long on first cycle? That just amazing and raw as a mofo man lol. I'd pct after 12 wks if i was you. 14 tops man

good luck bro


"dirty d"

[c-Z]

Personally i see no point in running sust at 1cc a week... WHY? it should be atleast 3-4 times a week pending on the week. EOD ATLEAST IMO because the short esters.