caber: how necessary is it for deca?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

upcoming cycle will be test-e 625mg and deca 400mg with anavar last 2 weeks of cycle and 2 more weeks leading up to pct. Do I really need to shell out almost 200 bucks from AR's site to get caber? What are the pros and cons of doing this?

[redz]

Holy snap thats pricey. Its not 100% necessary but if you get prolactin sides you will be glad you had it on hand.

[Mooseman33]

there are other sites that sell liquid caber for much,much less...

i feel if u keep the estrogen in check then prolactin sides usually are min, for me on tren that is.
i would not run deca ever again without caber/bromo....
deca is the devil to me, shut me down harder then i ever could of imagined...

but if u have prolactin sides and dont have caber/bromo, u are in some trouble..

[AlphaMaleDawg]

there are other sites that sell liquid caber for much,much less...

i feel if u keep the estrogen in check then prolactin sides usually are min, for me on tren that is.
i would not run deca ever again without caber/bromo....
deca is the devil to me, shut me down harder then i ever could of imagined...

but if u have prolactin sides and dont have caber/bromo, u are in some trouble..

thanks for the tip on the other sites being cheaper.

what kind of trouble are you talking about here? Would cialis offer a quick fix boner in case I wont be able to have one otherwise?

[Polska]

I wouldn't trust liquid cabergoline. Better get dostinex, harder to obtain but it is sure to work. Caber/dostinex in liquid form has been shown to be ineffective

[redz]

I have used pharmaseutical caber and ugl dostinex both in pill form and they definitely both worked. I have also heard of the liquids being less effective.

[Polska]

yes, pill form is def what you want to use. the drug degrades faster suspended in liquid. depending on when it was made and how long its been sitting, you may get very little active ingredient in there. I've taken liquid caber and it did nothing.

[Mooseman33]

thanks for the tip on the other sites being cheaper.

what kind of trouble are you talking about here? Would cialis offer a quick fix boner in case I wont be able to have one otherwise?

when i had my issues on deca i was not as educated as today.
cialis did not work, nothing did...i was in bad shape....

girl fvking hated me...

[AlphaMaleDawg]

is dostinex really hard to find on the internet?

[bobofet]

I use Pramipexole instead of caber, got it from a research site for cheap and it works as good if not better than caber. Read the thread below, it's what convinced me to get the prami over the caber.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=387247

[RANA]

I would say it's a must

[JimInAK]

I took caber with my Deca and it was all good. I really can't say that I needed it (I did need arimidex for my testosterone).

However, if I did need it and didn't have it, that could be a real problem. Deca has a very long half life and if you have a problem, just stopping use of Deca would likely be too late.

Caber/dostinex is NOT hard to find....

[etman]

Is caber needed for npp ?

[gymnerd]

Is caber needed for npp ?

Why would it be any different than deca?

[gymnerd]

upcoming cycle will be test-e 625mg and deca 400mg with anavar last 2 weeks of cycle and 2 more weeks leading up to pct. Do I really need to shell out almost 200 bucks from AR's site to get caber? What are the pros and cons of doing this?

I would not bother with caber unless you have a source with some UGL stuff. The liquid is no good unstable and a waste of money. Dostinex is too expensive. I would either get some bromo or some prami from a research site. You will prob not need it unless your deca dose is high, you can control gyno with adex.

[JimInAK]

I would not bother with caber unless you have a source with some UGL stuff. The liquid is no good unstable and a waste of money. Dostinex is too expensive. I would either get some bromo or some prami from a research site. You will prob not need it unless your deca dose is high, you can control gyno with adex.

Sounds like you're going to the wrong place to get your caber. Dostinex is not the only source.

Its manufactured in India by Sun Pharmaceutical Industries and if you know where to go you can get 0.5mg tabs for less than a cup of coffee.

[gymnerd]

Sounds like you're going to the wrong place to get your caber. Dostinex is not the only source.

Its manufactured in India by Sun Pharmaceutical Industries and if you know where to go you can get 0.5mg tabs for less than a cup of coffee.

Well, IF thats the case then caber is a good option. I do have a good source for generic caber pill form that is good but would never use liquid or pay those redic prices on dostinex.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

yea I definitely want to get some caber/dostinex in pill form as cheap as I could. I guess I will just have to try to find a place

[AlphaMaleDawg]

bump

at what point of the cycle would someone start caber? and what dose is ideal?

[RANA]

At the begining of the cycle and even in PCT. Anywhere from .25mg to .5mg every 3rd day it also depends if its pill or liquid

[Ripped Mass]

So deca shut you down like a superstar but Tren did not??

I am building up the courage to take Tren A one day probably a cycle or two away....but really that's all the Caber you need .5 E3D??

there are other sites that sell liquid caber for much,much less...

i feel if u keep the estrogen in check then prolactin sides usually are min, for me on tren that is.
i would not run deca ever again without caber/bromo....
deca is the devil to me, shut me down harder then i ever could of imagined...

but if u have prolactin sides and dont have caber/bromo, u are in some trouble..

[AlphaMaleDawg]

At the begining of the cycle and even in PCT. Anywhere from .25mg to .5mg every 3rd day it also depends if its pill or liquid

I'll only take pill after reading through this thread. I'm thinking .25mg every three days and increase it if I have libido issues?

So deca shut you down like a superstar but Tren did not??

I am building up the courage to take Tren A one day probably a cycle or two away....but really that's all the Caber you need .5 E3D??

I'll do tren with you next January brohammer! It will be my first time too!

[RANA]

So deca shut you down like a superstar but Tren did not??

I am building up the courage to take Tren A one day probably a cycle or two away....but really that's all the Caber you need .5 E3D??

Deca shut me down but on tren my sex drive was through the roof BUT my erections were not as hard until I started taking caber and it was ROCK hard

[RANA]

I'll only take pill after reading through this thread. I'm thinking .25mg every three days and increase it if I have libido issues?


I'll do tren with you next January brohammer! It will be my first time too!

You should be fine with that dosage since you are going to us pills, with liquid you have to increase the dosage

[Dukkit]

bullshit

liquid works

ive used it many times

on tren and deca

even after 12 weeks deca.... gettin deca dick... then starting liquid caber.... worked great. deca dick gone in 2 weeks.

it does lose its potency quickly. but its enough to last you a decent cycle

use the search button and look up...
"the how to use caber thread"

i mention how and why to use it. along with plus's and minus's. as well as the liquid debate

[RANA]

bullshit

liquid works
ive used it many times

on tren and deca

even after 12 weeks deca.... gettin deca dick... then starting liquid caber.... worked great. deca dick gone in 2 weeks.

it does lose its potency quickly. but its enough to last you a decent cycle

use the search button and look up...
"the how to use caber thread"

i mention how and why to use it. along with plus's and minus's. as well as the liquid debate

Slow down tiger, I never said it didn't I just said you might/will have too increase the dosage

[Swifto]

I'm not sure how effective Cabergoline is in liquid form sold by research chem sites. I've read more than once its a very unstable compound...

Anyway...

Right.

Prolactin is regulated via estrogen aromotasation (Ant. Pituitary). Progestins dont just cause elevated prolactin. Its caused primarily from estrogen. An AI will prevent this.

Were also not talking large doses of testosterone or aromotasables causing this. HRT doses can and have elevated prolactin quite considerably. (references apon request).

Lactation also isnt JUST a sign from elevated prolactin levels. Men can lactate from estrogenic sides and hypogondal males tend to show this side effect, although not very common. Is can also be from a shift in the balance of the androgen:estrogen ratio.

Progesterone is of little value to the bodybuilder, apart from it being the primary inhibitor of DHT.

Estrogen is essential when talking about gyno/lactation and regarding prolactin regulation/secretion.

That is all.

What would you people do without me?

[Ripped Mass]

I guess I'm brohammer lol??? Gotta recover from this gyno surgery first..hoping to hit the needle in a couple weeks been planning this cycle for a LONG time! Had to get these tits cut out first. Once I step up to tren probably just do something simple like Test Prop and Tren A 100 to 150 mg EOD.
This one comes first though:
Weeks 1-4 150mg Test Prop EOD(frontload)
Weeks 1-14 Test Enth. 250mg/200mg mast. Ent. BLEND 2X Week
Weeks 1-14 Primobolan 250mg 2X Week
Have 6 week Supply TBOL @ 50mg/day not sure if I want to run
first six weeks or last six weeks of cycle yet-going to see how recovery goes

Plenty of AI's no need to bore you with

I'll only take pill after reading through this thread. I'm thinking .25mg every three days and increase it if I have libido issues?



I'll do tren with you next January brohammer! It will be my first time too!

[gymnerd]

I'm not sure how effective Cabergoline is in liquid form sold by research chem sites. I've read more than once its a very unstable compound...

Anyway...

Right.

Prolactin is regulated via estrogen aromotasation (Ant. Pituitary). Progestins dont just cause elevated prolactin. Its caused primarily from estrogen. An AI will prevent this.

Were also not talking large doses of testosterone or aromotasables causing this. HRT doses can and have elevated prolactin quite considerably. (references apon request).

Lactation also isnt JUST a sign from elevated prolactin levels. Men can lactate from estrogenic sides and hypogondal males tend to show this side effect, although not very common. Is can also be from a shift in the balance of the androgen:estrogen ratio.

Progesterone is of little value to the bodybuilder, apart from it being the primary inhibitor of DHT.

Estrogen is essential when talking about gyno/lactation and regarding prolactin regulation/secretion.

That is all.

What would you people do without me?

Just make sum shit up LOL

[Dukkit]

rana... silly guy... i wasnt talkin to or about you

i only read afew posts.

just put my 2 cents in.

[RANA]

rana... silly guy... i wasnt talkin to or about you

i only read afew posts.

just put my 2 cents in.

your lucky I didn't want to fly out to philly and take care of business...lol

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I guess I'm brohammer lol??? Gotta recover from this gyno surgery first..hoping to hit the needle in a couple weeks been planning this cycle for a LONG time! Had to get these tits cut out first. Once I step up to tren probably just do something simple like Test Prop and Tren A 100 to 150 mg EOD.
This one comes first though:
Weeks 1-4 150mg Test Prop EOD(frontload)
Weeks 1-14 Test Enth. 250mg/200mg mast. Ent. BLEND 2X Week
Weeks 1-14 Primobolan 250mg 2X Week
Have 6 week Supply TBOL @ 50mg/day not sure if I want to run
first six weeks or last six weeks of cycle yet-going to see how recovery goes

Plenty of AI's no need to bore you with

dam tough break huh. How do they look now? much better?

cycle looks good. In April (2nd cycle), I am doing test-e 625mg for 14 weeks and deca 400mg for 12 weeks. Ill also add anavar week 13-16 (next day pct)

That means I'll be hitting the tren ace and test prop in january according to plan (3rd cycle)

[Ripped Mass]

Be careful with that DECA bro, I think it was a combination of dome diff. Prohormones in my early 20's and DECA in my mid-twenties that gave me the gyno onset. Cannot exactly pinpoint it because I really was not educated, took some bad advice from people I trusted. Get that Caber or Bromo like everyone is saying...could save you ALOT of trouble in the future.

But yes chest looks WAY better only 3 days out, nice and flat like the old days, and lumps are gone! My nips are still pretty jacked up looking-inverted and scabbed up and the like-but I heard that may take a couple months to fill in and look like they used to...lets hope so anyway! Goodbye manboobs

dam tough break huh. How do they look now? much better?

cycle looks good. In April (2nd cycle), I am doing test-e 625mg for 14 weeks and deca 400mg for 12 weeks. Ill also add anavar week 13-16 (next day pct)

That means I'll be hitting the tren ace and test prop in january according to plan (3rd cycle)

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Be careful with that DECA bro, I think it was a combination of dome diff. Prohormones in my early 20's and DECA in my mid-twenties that gave me the gyno onset. Cannot exactly pinpoint it because I really was not educated, took some bad advice from people I trusted. Get that Caber or Bromo like everyone is saying...could save you ALOT of trouble in the future.

But yes chest looks WAY better only 3 days out, nice and flat like the old days, and lumps are gone! My nips are still pretty jacked up looking-inverted and scabbed up and the like-but I heard that may take a couple months to fill in and look like they used to...lets hope so anyway! Goodbye manboobs

Yea I am 100% running caber on cycle. I have never really had very high natural test anyway (rarely ever morning wood). I also have cialis just in case. I just want to keep getting freaky huge. right now I'm 184 ripped at 5'8 3/4 so I look pretty good if I must say so myself.

Glad to hear the surgery went well. back to looking like a brolic masculine mofo instead of a bitch haha

[richtries]

I'm not sure how effective Cabergoline is in liquid form sold by research chem sites. I've read more than once its a very unstable compound...

Anyway...

Right.

Prolactin is regulated via estrogen aromotasation (Ant. Pituitary). Progestins dont just cause elevated prolactin. Its caused primarily from estrogen. An AI will prevent this.

Were also not talking large doses of testosterone or aromotasables causing this. HRT doses can and have elevated prolactin quite considerably. (references apon request).

Lactation also isnt JUST a sign from elevated prolactin levels. Men can lactate from estrogenic sides and hypogondal males tend to show this side effect, although not very common. Is can also be from a shift in the balance of the androgen:estrogen ratio.

Progesterone is of little value to the bodybuilder, apart from it being the primary inhibitor of DHT.

Estrogen is essential when talking about gyno/lactation and regarding prolactin regulation/secretion.

That is all.

What would you people do without me?

I know this post is old and I'm not sure if your still following it Swifto . . . but was interested in the bold statement.

Would I be right to speculate that . . . if progesterone helps inhibit DHT, can steroids like deca (which don't directly contribute to mpb) actually help to counteract some of the negative effects of testosterone (and its conversion to DHT) on mpb?? This may be a ridiculous statement, just testing the water, trying to learn.

Thanks.

[DEE151]

my last cycle was deca at 400mg wk and test e at 375mg a wk. and i still ****ed like a mad dog with no problem. as long as you got test your good to go. save some money and **** the cabber.