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**Kdub** · 01-31-2010, 09:21 PM

Getting the cells (receptors) to make full use of natural testosterone or AAS-induced testosterone?

When a non-AAS (or AAS user) user has normal natural test levels but the test is not being up used up and the test is being converted to estrogen, this is called aromatization.

Is there a way (drug) to have more test uptake in the cell? Maybe this is the billion dollar question. Let me ask the question again...

We can use an aromatase inhibitor to prevent the estrogen. By doing so, by cutting the estrogen or controlling it, does this lead to better uptake of the test to the receptors?

I understand we need estrogen to promote muscle growth but at what point does high levels of estrogen inhibit muscle growth?

Common inhibitors are Arimidex and Aromasin . Which is best and why?

And, what effect does high estrogen levels have on hydration? Is the high estrogen leveled male more prone to dehydration seeing as the body is carry water outside the cells (muscle tissue)?

Thank You.

Kdub

**FranciscoG** · 02-01-2010, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kdub

Getting the cells (receptors) to make full use of natural testosterone or AAS-induced testosterone?

Your cells that uptake aas through the AR (androgen receptors) only have so many ARs. Once testosterone is free in your blood it will be met with various different enzymes and so on. Whatever free testosterone is left will be uptaken

When a non-AAS (or AAS user) user has normal natural test levels but the test is not being up used up and the test is being converted to estrogen, this is called aromatization.

Aromatise is the enzyme that converts test to estrogen. You can use an AI to prevent this. You can also use finastride to stop conversion to DHT

Is there a way (drug) to have more test uptake in the cell? Maybe this is the billion dollar question. Let me ask the question again...

The only thing that I know that aid is hGH. Supposed to help add new ARs, I do know know of anything else but someone else might

We can use an aromatase inhibitor to prevent the estrogen. By doing so, by cutting the estrogen or controlling it, does this lead to better uptake of the test to the receptors?

Yes

I understand we need estrogen to promote muscle growth but at what point does high levels of estrogen inhibit muscle growth?

This one I don´t agree with most. I do not understand the science perhaps. As a male in puberty did you need estrogen to grow. The male body does need the small minute amount of estrogen to have regular function of labido and so on but to grow I don´t understand

Common inhibitors are Arimidex and Aromasin . Which is best and why?

Aromasin is considered a 3rd generation AI. This is because it is mre effective as a suicide AI. The only suicide AI widely used. Google and look at pubmed for the studies. Arimidex is also effective but not as effective as aromasin. Persons severly prone to gyno might consider aromasin. For general estrogen control with lower dosages depending on the dosage that works for you either should be fine

And, what effect does high estrogen levels have on hydration? Is the high estrogen leveled male more prone to dehydration seeing as the body is carry water outside the cells (muscle tissue)?

That depends on your body fat percentage, this is a long one. But, in basics a person that carries 15-20% Bf will dehydrate quicker while retaining water, this is due to the fact that your body must exert much more when you are holding water and high bf% in cardio activities... Its a situation based issue.

Thank You.

Kdub

What is your bf%

**Kdub** · 02-02-2010, 01:22 AM

Hi Doc,

Thank very much.

I am at 15% bf.

I took .25ml of Arimidex a few days ago to see what would happen. I took it right before bed. I got the sweats that night and shed 2.5 - 3 lbs of water so I would say it is VERY effective at reducing water or estrogen.

Is this typical? The sheets and pillow were totally soaked. Can you comment on this reaction?

So what you are saying is that the lower by bf the less prone I am to dehydration? Is the best way to get the water into the muscle tissues is to cut the estrogen?

But I do understand we need estrogen to grow. If I continue to use Arimidex or say, Aromasin , will these take too much estrogen out of the growth equation?

Should I start with .25ml of Aromasin? How often? EOD? E3D?

Are you able to comment of the following?

With a "watery" physique (higher estrogen) and low sex drive even on 700 mg of Prop per week and 40 mg Dbol a day, leads me to believe my test is not being taken into the cells. It appears I have high estrogen and do carry water between the muscle and skin but it does not get into the cells. Constipation is a side effect of this. Carbohydrates are not being utilized. However, I am NOT gyno prone though.

I see my friend who is same age but has fast metabolism, passes 3 bowel movements daily, has high sex drive, low Bf, a hard physique and limitless energy. I see this as he makes better use of his testosterone . He does not take AAS.

Could it be I am mildly diabetic?

Your thoughts?

**FranciscoG** · 02-02-2010, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Kdub

Hi Doc,

Thank very much.

I am at 15% bf.

I took .25ml of Arimidex a few days ago to see what would happen. I took it right before bed. I got the sweats that night and shed 2.5 - 3 lbs of water so I would say it is VERY effective at reducing water or estrogen.

Is this typical? The sheets and pillow were totally soaked. Can you comment on this reaction?

NOOOOOOOOOOOO, I never seen anyone shed that much water

So what you are saying is that the lower by bf the less prone I am to dehydration? Is the best way to get the water into the muscle tissues is to cut the estrogen?

Lower body fat will contribute to your over-all health. From avoiding other diseases to better labido. Carring extra body fat, but over 20%, will contribute to ED.

But I do understand we need estrogen to grow. If I continue to use Arimidex or say, Aromasin , will these take too much estrogen out of the growth equation?

Again like I said before I don´t know where anyone gets ¨Do I need estrogen to grow.¨ A very small amount of estrogen is needed in males for a few basic issues. But for an over-all anabolic state; I never seen it.

Should I start with .25ml of Aromasin? How often? EOD? E3D?

Whats the mg/ml?
Are you able to comment of the following?

With a "watery" physique (higher estrogen) and low sex drive even on 700 mg of Prop per week and 40 mg Dbol a day, leads me to believe my test is not being taken into the cells. It appears I have high estrogen and do carry water between the muscle and skin but it does not get into the cells. Constipation is a side effect of this. Carbohydrates are not being utilized. However, I am NOT gyno prone though.

It seams clear that high amounts of estrogen are a contributing factor to your ED, You mentioned you have had a full physical and blood work done and all was normal. Was that before/after/during the period of time you have had ED problems?

I see my friend who is same age but has fast metabolism, passes 3 bowel movements daily, has high sex drive, low Bf, a hard physique and limitless energy. I see this as he makes better use of his testosterone . He does not take AAS.

How does your diet compare to his? your fiber intake?

Could it be I am mildly diabetic?

the would show up on blood/physical examine

Your thoughts?

Cut the NPP out. Use .5 mg arimidex ED or use 12.5mg of aromi ED.

Go back and get blood drawn.

When was the last time you did not have ED?

Have you ever tried cialis to see if ED meds work?

**PistolStarta** · 02-02-2010, 08:22 AM

Cialis works fine but remember doesnt return sex drive.

**Kdub** · 02-02-2010, 09:25 AM

Thanks Doc.

The Arimidex is 1mg per ml so I took .25 mgs. Yes, I had the sweats and weighed myself upon waking... nearly 3 lbs. It was similar to fever sweats but without the fever. I was stunned at the water weight loss.

Are we able to deduce anything from this massive water loss using the Arimidex?

The Aromaisn is dosed at 10 mg per ml.

There are no ED issues. My sex drive is a little low and find the girlfriend arouses me less as time goes on. Perhaps it is normal with all long term relationships. I was expecting the drive to be higher with 700 mgs of Propinate in my system but perhaps the NPP is the culprit yet there is no shrinkage. Time for a mistress???

I was hoping for a much more aggressive sex drive while on but then again, I am not 23 like I was the last time I was on.

I do require a very high fiber diet as well.

What is your take on PCT? I noticed you are not a fan of HCG while on cycle. How would you structure it with Tamox? Would you also thrown in Aromasin ?

Thanks Pistol, What is like using Cialis? You are not gonna believe me but bee pollen from a beekeeper (the fresh pollen) is an incredible test booster. 2 teaspoons twice a day will increase stamina, drive and semen production (similar to Clomid) and it is nearly instant... about 6-10 hours kick in time.

I get pumped on the pollen like I am on Dianabol and have actually cycled the pollen over the last few years and have actually put on size. No kidding. Stop taking the pollen and within 24-48 hours I feel tired and exhausted and the wicked pumps go away and the physique is flat. A day or so after that and I return to normal. Of course it is not like Dianabol but this is what I relate it to.

**FranciscoG** · 02-02-2010, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Kdub

Thanks Doc.

The Arimidex is 1mg per ml so I took .25 mgs. Yes, I had the sweats and weighed myself upon waking... nearly 3 lbs. It was similar to fever sweats but without the fever. I was stunned at the water weight loss.

Are we able to deduce anything from this massive water loss using the Arimidex?

That is just amazing, with AIs and other drugs in general you have tresh holds, It is a simple process. There is a min and max amount you can take for initial and max effects...

In other words, say the min effective amount of adex you take to see any effect is .25mg the max you can take to see results (once you pass this max no matter how much mgs you add your results are not going to be exponentially better) say is 1mg. You dosage should be in the middle of that to see results that are good.

I would play with the dosage to see what works for me. I say you are prob gonna be well off .5mg ED.

The Aromaisn is dosed at 10 mg per ml.

Take 1 ml ED if you are gonna use this

There are no ED issues. My sex drive is a little low and find the girlfriend arouses me less as time goes on. Perhaps it is normal with all long term relationships. I was expecting the drive to be higher with 700 mgs of Propinate in my system but perhaps the NPP is the culprit yet there is no shrinkage. Time for a mistress???

Well now thats a different enviromental issue there ahey?

Been there done that, got a shirt.

If you think some new is gonna help, go ahead let us know

I was hoping for a much more aggressive sex drive while on but then again, I am not 23 like I was the last time I was on.

Once you treat your symptoms and counter your sides you are gonna get there, take your AI, I will guess 14 days from the first day of consistant dosage of whichever AI

I do require a very high fiber diet as well.

If your diet is balanced and water intake is good you should be hitting the boys room a few times ED, The other possible thing is begining of cycles your body (mine anyways) retains much more nitrogen than used food much better than off cycle, so thats one possible explaination. There are a lot, I would say avoid alcohol... You are gonna get it worked out with time

What is your take on PCT? I noticed you are not a fan of HCG while on cycle. How would you structure it with Tamox? Would you also thrown in Aromasin ?

for 37 years of age 4 week of PCT at least
5000 IU of hcg split into two shots of 2500 IU E3.5D
20-40mg of nolv
one shot HMG EW 75/75 mixture

You already know how to use your insulin and GH and creatin. If not PM me. I don´t like talking about insulin in public

Thanks Pistol, What is like using Cialis? You are not gonna believe me but bee pollen from a beekeeper (the fresh pollen) is an incredible test booster. 2 teaspoons twice a day will increase stamina, drive and semen production (similar to Clomid) and it is nearly instant... about 6-10 hours kick in time.

I get pumped on the pollen like I am on Dianabol and have actually cycled the pollen over the last few years and have actually put on size. No kidding. Stop taking the pollen and within 24-48 hours I feel tired and exhausted and the wicked pumps go away and the physique is flat. A day or so after that and I return to normal. Of course it is not like Dianabol but this is what I relate it to.