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    Am I setting myself up for trt?

    im 23 yrs old, 5'11 195 11-12%bf

    ive done 2 cycles in the past(test-dbol and test-eq)

    im planning on starting a cycle next week consisting of:
    sustanon 250mgs eod weeks 1-12
    deca 600mgs a week for weeks 1-10
    dbol 35mgs ed weeks 1-4
    arimidex .5mgs eod weeks 1-12
    hcg 250iu 2x week for weeks 1-12

    pct:
    nolva 40/40/20/20/20
    clomid 100/50/50/50/50
    aromasin 20/20/20/20/20

    from what ive researched this is a solid cycle, what im wondering is whether this kind of cycle which will completely shut me down, is it going to permanently damage my hpta. alot of people say they never feel the same after doing big cycles and their quality of life is never the same after using these types of doses. id love to hear some personal experiences and opinions from some experienced users. Am i setting myself up for trt some years down the line?? Thanks alot look forward to hearing your responses

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    No one can say how you will recover. hell, some guys do one cycle and never recover. Some guys do a half assed pct and bounce back quickly.

    But I can tell you for sure, that at your age and stats, there is no way you need that much gear.

    What were your previous cycles?

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    ^ and isn't the deca suppose to be lower then the sust?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro View Post
    ^ and isn't the deca suppose to be lower then the sust?
    He listed his cycle as 250mg EOD of sust. Which would work out to 1g/wk.

    But, no, one need not always run test higher than the 19nor. As long as you have even a replacement dose of test in your system you should be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D7M View Post
    He listed his cycle as 250mg EOD of sust. Which would work out to 1g/wk.

    But, no, one need not always run test higher than the 19nor. As long as you have even a replacement dose of test in your system you should be fine.
    I agree. I would also drop the aromasin in pct.

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    ^Ahh didn't catch that

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    thanks for the input, my first cycle was dbol 50mgs ed weeks 1-4 and test cyp 500mgs a week for 12 weeks

    2nd cycle was test cyp 500mgs a week and eq 500mgs for 12 weeks

    so youre saying i should drop the deca or just lower test dose for this next cycle?

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    any other input?...bump

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    Well you're young bro... But since you're already cycling, and going through w/ this next week I'll help you out..

    1g of test is not necessary for a 3rd cycle though man! lol. tooo much test.

    I would just do sust @ 125 - 150mg EOD = ~500mg/wk.

    Deca + test + an oral is a big bulker. No need to double your dosage of test. 600mg of deca is incomparable to 500mg of EQ. you'll blow up on this cycle.

    Best of luck

    -VM.

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    thanks alot vman....if i chose not to run deca would it alright to up the test dosage?

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    oh ya if i drop my dose of sust in half im gonna have a crap load of amps leftover...maybe my dog could use a few pounds of muscle...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by D7M View Post
    He listed his cycle as 250mg EOD of sust. Which would work out to 1g/wk.

    But, no, one need not always run test higher than the 19nor. As long as you have even a replacement dose of test in your system you should be fine.
    isn't that 875mg pw?

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    I do like how you have the cycle laid out.Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by romo6 View Post
    I do like how you have the cycle laid out.Good luck.
    ^thank you romo i appreciate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunterwells View Post
    thanks alot vman....if i chose not to run deca would it alright to up the test dosage?
    Yeah man absolutely. I mean honestly you can do Deca @ 600/wk + Sust @ 600 - 750mg/wk and I think that would be completely suitable.

    All I meant from my post was that I don't really feel that you need to do ~1g (875mg/wk) when you've only ever used 500mg/wk in previous cycles. (that's quite the leap IMO).

    If you're going to drop the Deca then I would suggest sticking to ~750mg/wk of test

    lol, I'd probably up the d-bol dosage w/out that deca though!

    -VM

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    great, thank u very much vman...your advice is invaluable

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