what if I have no PCT ?

[anabolicquest24]

If I'm not able to grab some nolva or clomid, what would be an acceptable pct that will take care of me after a TBol and Var cycle??.. 7-8wks

[Mr.Rose]

I would not recommend nothing, not even a cycle without you adding test to that cycle. IMO you setting yourself up for some really bad 8 weeks.

Nolva and Clomid is not that hard to get, Use the board sponsers, Ar-r, the banner at the top of the page, i have gotten their nolva and clomid countless of times, and i live in Australia, the worlds strictest customs, (expect for my misses, )

[anabolicquest24]

appreciate your reply... I'm 90% I'll be getting some nolva and, or clomid... I'm asking just in case I dont happen to get them.. I'm still running the cycle oral only .. I'll post my results

[sigman roid]

If you cant get your pct dont cycle.

[bjohnson1968]

pct is every bit as important as the aas themselves any gains you will loose not to mention the negative effects that may take place within your own system dont run without a good pct

[Nooomoto]

No PCT = No cycle...pretty simple equation. There are plenty of places on the internet to get both clomid and nolvadex at good prices. If you can't afford them, why are you considering AAS in the first place?

[toothache]

Get your pct from AR-R. It will be in your mailbox with 4-5 days.

[taiwanguy]

In answer to your question... some people choose to use toremifene instead of nolva or clomid.

[tboney]

In answer to your question... some people choose to use toremifene instead of nolva or clomid.

I would not recommend that either. I am a big fan of torem but you still need some nolva or clomid with it.

[ghettoboyd]

sounds to me like you dont like your liver to much doing 2 orals for a cycle....bad idea expecialy without pct.....irresponsible really....

[taiwanguy]

sounds to me like you dont like your liver to much doing 2 orals for a cycle....bad idea expecialy without pct.....irresponsible really....

There's no "1 oral only or have liver failure" rule... furthermore, PCT is going to cause extra stress on his liver. (Not saying he should not PCT, but your comment doesn't make sense.)

[tboney]

There's no "1 oral only or have liver failure" rule... furthermore, PCT is going to cause extra stress on his liver. (Not saying he should not PCT, but your comment doesn't make sense.)

You have no idea what you are talking about........

[Oakleys]

There's no "1 oral only or have liver failure" rule... furthermore, PCT is going to cause extra stress on his liver. (Not saying he should not PCT, but your comment doesn't make sense.)

I actually guarantee you most people on this board dislike more than 1 oral in anyone's cycle, especially if they are newer.

[tboney]

There's no "1 oral only or have liver failure" rule... furthermore, PCT is going to cause extra stress on his liver. (Not saying he should not PCT, but your comment doesn't make sense.)

Running 8 weeks of orals will be taxing on the liver.

[taiwanguy]

I actually guarantee you most people on this board dislike more than 1 oral in anyone's cycle, especially if they are newer.

I wouldn't be surprised if most people on most boards dislike it (or don't do it), but that wasn't my point. I don't normally go around saying "Nah, you should just run 2 orals instead"

Running 8 weeks of orals will be taxing on the liver.

Taxing and looking at damage/failure are two completely different things.

You have no idea what you are talking about........

Based on what? It's pretty simple to get a blood test, run your cycle of whatever, get a blood test midway through and see how you are, then decide whether to stop or continue based on the results. Tbol + anavar isn't like doing a cycle of cheque drops (which is obviously exaggerated.)

It's not like this is the first person to think of running these 2 fairly mild steroids together.

[tboney]

I wouldn't be surprised if most people on most boards dislike it (or don't do it), but that wasn't my point. I don't normally go around saying "Nah, you should just run 2 orals instead"



Taxing and looking at damage/failure are two completely different things.



Based on what? It's pretty simple to get a blood test, run your cycle of whatever, get a blood test midway through and see how you are, then decide whether to stop or continue based on the results. Tbol + anavar isn't like doing a cycle of cheque drops (which is obviously exaggerated.)

It's not like this is the first person to think of running these 2 fairly mild steroids together.

He didnt say liver failure.... he said that running two orals is especially ruff on the liver. especially for 8 weeks. Whats your point?

Further more your statement about pct being toxic to the liver doesnt make sense in the context of what we were talking abot...

[IGot80HD]

no PCT and youre running the risk of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXKcf1GxlGM

or something similar hehe

[Nooomoto]

no PCT and youre running the risk of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXKcf1GxlGM

or something similar hehe

Why is that on youtube? Disturbing.

[AlphaGenetics]

You need pct.

[Nicotine]

no test? 2 orals?

ouch.

i really hope you can get erections after a few weeks, and i hope you dont feel all depressed and down....

low testosterone is a serious cause of depression, and one of the reasons post cycle sucks.

if you're shut down your whole cycle, because you refuse to supplement testosterone - you are setting yourself up for a bad 8 weeks, and a bad 4-6 weeks of pct...

even IF you do pct.

bad idea.... suck it up, do injections.

[taiwanguy]

He didnt say liver failure.... he said that running two orals is especially ruff on the liver. especially for 8 weeks. Whats your point?

Further more your statement about pct being toxic to the liver doesnt make sense in the context of what we were talking abot...

I'm aware nobody mentioned failure. My comment to PCT is in perfect context to my quote.

sounds to me like you dont like your liver to much doing 2 orals for a cycle....bad idea expecialy without pct

PCT is going to put more stress on his liver, not make it better. edit: I see your interpretation of his post is "especially ruff on the liver" whereas mine was "you're probably going to damage it" Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all against PCT. Having people try to force it down my throat and that I have to do it there way is something else though.

There's no need to try and pick apart my posts because you disagree with me.

As previously indicated, I don't go around telling people they should do 2 oral cycles, but unless the doses are absurd and the OP is drinking/taking many other meds (and/or the OP already has liver problems) it seems unlikely he won't recover from this. (And if he doesn't, he should be prepared to accept the consequences or not run it.)