deca or test e for joints

**dsc14** · 02-09-2010, 02:50 PM

Hi all, I'm an endurance athlete looking to start my first cycle. I'm looking to benefit from improved recovery and gain some strength so was looking at 125-150mg test E per week to get my test to high normal ranges (I'm no body builder).
I have been training very well for the past 4 years but now feel like my strength is getting to the limit of what my joints can easily handle and so am a little concerned that I dont give myself and injury when on the test e.
I only want to take one compound and am starting to lean towards deca for the joint benefits and I dont get any action so wasnt woried about deca dick lol. I dont want do do deca and test e with the sole benefit of preventing deca dick, I dont mind having no dick and minimising possible sides.

So what do you think, is 200-300mg of deca per week a better alternative for me than test e?
As I mentioned I have the test e for a 12 week cycle along with pct consisting of nolva, proviron and hcg . What would I need for the deca pct??

As for stats im just like lance armstrong only with an extra testicle and 25 and had nutrition sorted for years and just to reitarate I'm not looking to just add weight I want to keep weight down but need more power but i can get away with adding a few kgs and still be competative .

I would be concerned a little if one of these roids would affect my mental drive in training negativly so if there are any concerns please let me know

Thank you

**Bonaparte** · 02-09-2010, 02:54 PM

Stats please.

**dsc14** · 02-09-2010, 03:04 PM

lol you dont know what lance armstrong looks like................. anyways
5'9''
25yrs
69kg could tolerate a max weight of around 75kg but that would be heavy for my sport
sweet fa fat
eat 6 meals a day
do a lot of intense leg related strength training and one or 2 big endurance efforts a week with 2 rest days. any more and i just overtrian.

**Bonaparte** · 02-09-2010, 03:08 PM

EQ with a test base (maybe 200mg) would be ideal for your situation. Deca would be awful.
IMO, Deca is only really a suitable drug for untested bodybuilders.

**dsc14** · 02-09-2010, 03:11 PM

Yes i had thought about eq for rbc but wanted to save that for my second cycle. i want just one substance as my first for just strength to see how i respond to ass. deca is notorious in cycling for being excellent for strength and joints so many guys get busted on the stuff (meaning it must be worth it) so i would like some other opinions please.

**dsc14** · 02-09-2010, 03:18 PM

I am not concerned with detection and know deca has an uber long detection rate. I apreciate you input. this is what i am concerned about as i have *****ed out of training sessions thinking that i will blow my knees. they are not injured and i want to keep them that way but also want to continue to build strength hence looking to deca for happy joints
how do you think test e will affect my joints?

**Bonaparte** · 02-09-2010, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by dsc14

I am not concerned with detection and know deca has an uber long detection rate. I apreciate you input. this is what i am concerned about as i have *****ed out of training sessions thinking that i will blow my knees. they are not injured and i want to keep them that way but also want to continue to build strength hence looking to deca for happy joints
how do you think test e will affect my joints?

Test is fine for your joints and it aromatizes, so the estrogen helps.
I still have to recommend the EQ. It does help with strength (to a reasonable extent) and recovery, plus it greatly helps endurance and collagen synthesis. It is supposedly even better than Deca for this last one. You will also experience far milder sides and suppression on EQ than Deca, since it isn't a 19-nor.

**dsc14** · 02-09-2010, 03:31 PM

So do you think that joint wise I am better off on test e than using no ass?

**Bonaparte** · 02-09-2010, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by dsc14

So do you think that joint wise I am better off on test e than using no ass?

First, its AAS, not ass.

And there is no point in using a small dose of test. You will not get great results and you'll shut yourself down for nothing. Just keep researching this stuff for a while.
Besides, I feel like you should be worrying more about tendons and ligaments than joints. Test is fine for your joints, but is bad for tendons. EQ is good for both.

**dsc14** · 02-09-2010, 03:46 PM

thank you

**BJJ** · 02-09-2010, 03:48 PM

You do not want to add weight and want to care about your joints.
I would go for oxandrolone.

**dsc14** · 02-09-2010, 04:01 PM

I have read from a few posts that var is ok for bb endurance but screws an endurance athletes endurance consistantly so is a no go for me.
Im just looking for a little reasurance that test e will be good for my joints then im happy to roll with it.
thanks

**BJJ** · 02-09-2010, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by dsc14

I have read from a few posts that var is ok for bb endurance but screws an endurance athletes endurance consistantly so is a no go for me.
Im just looking for a little reasurance that test e will be good for my joints then im happy to roll with it.
thanks

you are welcome.
it depends how much you ingest of it.

**dsc14** · 02-09-2010, 04:05 PM

ah just read your edit. that is the info im after and yes by joints im on about anything that can make ones knee feel bad and know that test makes ligaments brittle yet deca is the daddy of joint goodness. but thats news to me about eq being a good joint all rounder as i thought it tended to dry the joints so thanks for the info.

So to confirm in my stoopid head the following:
-test will decrease joint strength (ligament ,tendon, blah blah) so i could jump on ass (im not keen on capitals) and smash it out in training and pop good buy knees
-test and eq will be beneficial to knee
-deca often used by cyclists as an excuse for healing joint probs (not that they were after any anabolic benefits lol)

**MotoLifter** · 02-09-2010, 04:56 PM

eq KILLED my joints.

Moto

**dsc14** · 02-09-2010, 05:14 PM

nice, moto can you elaborate on how it felt and if you had any joint concerns/issues before the eq. im swaying towards deca myself

**Bonaparte** · 02-09-2010, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by MotoLifter

eq KILLED my joints.

Moto

How? What else were you using? It aromatizes enough to keep joints lubricated, it isn't 5a reduced, and it increases collagen synthesis. I've been on it for 15 weeks and can't imagine how it could hurt your joints.

**lostboy74** · 02-09-2010, 06:37 PM

I have to agree with bonaparte...
I am on my first eq test cycle and my joints are ten times better than they were before i started this cycle...everything feels much tighter and i dont have that floating feeling in my knees that Ive had from many years of cycling...I raced expert lvl cross country mountain for 11 years and it destroyed my knees...this cycle is making it feel as if i can train on my road bike again...