First Cycle

[Carlos_E]

How does this look for a first cycle? I'm 5'7", 175, around 7% bodyfat. I'm looking to put on 20-30 pounds.


weeks 1-4 dbol @ 35mg/day
weeks 1-10 test c @ 500mg/week
weeks 1-10 EQ @ 400mg/week
weeks 1-10 arimidex @ .25mg/day (to minimize water retention and prevent aromatization)
weeks 10-13 Prop (not sure of dose, suggestions please)
weeks 13-16 clomid day 1 300mg, 100mg/day next 10 days, 50mg/day next 10 days.


How does this look? Any suggestions? As long as diet and workouts are dead on what could I except from a cycle like this?

[MBaraso]

That's a well planned out first cycle. Run the prop at 50mgs ed.
Have nolvedex on hand also.
You can expect some weight gain in the begining, and after you stop the d-bol you can look for some lean gains w/ increased vascularity, pumps etc..
Well reasearched..
Goodluck,

[Carlos_E]

How much Nolvadex do you recommend just in case and how should the shots be split?

[stinky]

Bump

[JohnnyB]

I'd do 250mg of test and 200mg of EQ on Sunday night and the other on Thursday morning same dose. If you don't want to do ed injections you could go eod with the prop @ 100mg.

JohnnyB

[Madmax]

only thing i'd throw in is winny...but you have prop so it shouldn't be a big deal..you could always run both...good cycle...you did your research..to be effective prop needs to be shot eod...Johnny B has it fine on the shots...20-30mg ed of nolvadex will be enough if you get signs of gyno...good luck bro, hope you enjoy it...Madmax...

[Carlos_E]

Originally posted by Madmax
only thing i'd throw in is winny...but you have prop so it shouldn't be a big deal..you could always run both...good cycle...you did your research..to be effective prop needs to be shot eod...Johnny B has it fine on the shots...20-30mg ed of nolvadex will be enough if you get signs of gyno...good luck bro, hope you enjoy it...Madmax...

Why winny? What would I get out of that along with the prop and how would you suggest running it? This isn't too much considering it's a first cycle?

[MBaraso]

I would run either winny or prop. Personally I like winny at the end of any cycle because it hardens u up and it helps in retaining gains. But for a first cycle running both of these (prop & winny) at the end might be over kill....

[Carlos_E]

bump

[FedSki]

Originally posted by Carlos_E
How much Nolvadex do you recommend just in case and how should the shots be split?

Start with 20mg a day if you get gyno twinges (sore nipples). Once the twinges go away drop to 10mg per day. Continue with this until you start your clomid.

[Madmax]

forgot it was his first cycle....just run the winny if your worried about it....Madmax..

[Carlos_E]

Why do you recommend winny at the end vs prop?

[Madmax]

winny is going to give you some extra kick while your test and other stuff is going out of your system...winny is best used to maintain muscle while dieting....Madmax..

[big N]

shit keep both bro ,test is the building block in ant thing u ddo cutting or bulkin,by havin test in there till the end will help u keep gains and help with eveything else keeping a positive nitrogen balance etc..its not to much run it 50 ed .then the winny will help with water (prop will too u wont hole much when u switch ),plus harden slice and dice u .run the winny 50 ed for 4 weeks first time see how u react to it .what kind r u runnin and is it depot ?

[Carlos_E]

Originally posted by big N
shit keep both bro ,test is the building block in ant thing u ddo cutting or bulkin,by havin test in there till the end will help u keep gains and help with eveything else keeping a positive nitrogen balance etc..its not to much run it 50 ed .then the winny will help with water (prop will too u wont hole much when u switch ),plus harden slice and dice u .run the winny 50 ed for 4 weeks first time see how u react to it .what kind r u runnin and is it depot ?

I ordered QV Lab EQ, Test E and Prop. I didn't order winny. Madmax suggested the winny and I was wondering if it's better to run winny at the end vs prop.

[big N]

like i was sayimg u can do both like i stated above ,but if ur asking me one or the other then id go with the winny ,

[Carlos_E]

It didn't hurt at all.. It actually kinda tingled.