vial has crystals in it?

**juiceda26** · 02-13-2010, 06:22 PM

i just got two vials on test prop. one of them has crystals in ti. Can someone tell me what it is or how to fix it if i even can? thanks

**Phate** · 02-13-2010, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by juiceda26

i just got two vials on test prop. one of them has crystals in ti. Can someone tell me what it is or how to fix it if i even can? thanks

it probably crashed, try running warm water over the vial(but not the stopper if you can help it) for a few minutes, then swirl it and see if the crystals disappear

**c-Z** · 02-13-2010, 06:28 PM

Common with cold weather when getting stuff shipped. Gear will crash. This is why we tell guys not to refrigerate gear as well. Like phate says try to warm water over it. Avoid stopper though. If that doesn't work.. come back

**juiceda26** · 02-13-2010, 06:30 PM

it didnt work.

**juiceda26** · 02-13-2010, 06:30 PM

stopper still has peal cap on it if that matters

**Phate** · 02-13-2010, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by juiceda26

it didnt work.

k, then warm a pot of water on the stove(not to boiling), put the vial in there for a few minutes(put water close to the level of the oil and swirl occasionally)

**c-Z** · 02-13-2010, 06:38 PM

beat me too it ya bastard

hate being at work LOL

**Phate** · 02-13-2010, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by c-Z

beat me too it ya bastard

hate being at work LOL

and i have a scratched cornea in my left eye from last night lol, it's all good bro, big used to kick my ass all over this website

**juiceda26** · 02-13-2010, 07:07 PM

its getting better. its been in a hot pot not boiling for ten minutes. i guess just keep going till its gone?

**juiceda26** · 02-13-2010, 07:08 PM

will it be fine after its dissolved?

**Phate** · 02-13-2010, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by juiceda26

will it be fine after its dissolved?

yeah, just keep checking it before you inject and if it crashes again just use another hot water bath

**juiceda26** · 02-13-2010, 07:14 PM

hell ya. thanks bro. i was worried it was garbage. My sister was like " are you cooking something" What is that? She's visiting for the weekend. busted.lol

**Western Man** · 02-13-2010, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by juiceda26

i just got two vials on test prop. one of them has crystals in ti. Can someone tell me what it is or how to fix it if i even can? thanks

Microwaving for like 6-8 seconds works on some crystals.

**Phate** · 02-13-2010, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Western Man

Microwaving for like 6-8 seconds works on some crystals.

no no no, the microwaves can damage the hormones

**Western Man** · 02-13-2010, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

no no no, the microwaves can damage the hormones

OP, listen to Phate. I'm a newb. Although, the micro did work on some liquid cialis I had.

**Tim_nd32** · 02-13-2010, 08:05 PM

Is it possible that this gear was made wrong with excess solutes? Just having a flashback from chemistry, but, as the solution become super saturated with a solute, precipitates would fall out of solution. By warming the oil, this would increase the solubility of the solution, causing the solutes to be suspended within the solution. As the oil returns to room temp, the solutes would precipitate bacl out of solution again. No doubt by warming the bottle, that these crystals would be reabsorbed, but the underline question is why are they seperated from the oil solution to begin with? Are the ratio's off with this batch? Is it dangerous if this super potent bottle delivers more mg per mL than you were expecting?

**Phate** · 02-13-2010, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Tim_nd32

Is it possible that this gear was made wrong with excess solutes? Just having a flashback from chemistry, but, as the solution become super saturated with a solute, precipitates would fall out of solution. By warming the oil, this would increase the solubility of the solution, causing the solutes to be suspended within the solution. As the oil returns to room temp, the solutes would precipitate bacl out of solution again. No doubt by warming the bottle, that these crystals would be reabsorbed, but the underline question is why are they seperated from the oil solution to begin with? Are the ratio's off with this batch? Is it dangerous if this super potent bottle delivers more mg per mL than you were expecting?

well to get it supersaturated they would have first had to heat it while adding the solutes very carefully, then allow it to come to room temperature, but with supersaturation, even moving the vial would give the internal system energy and alot more than just a few crystals would have crashed out

more than likely it just got cold during shipping, ut that is why i wanted him to keep checking

**Tim_nd32** · 02-13-2010, 10:13 PM

Enthalpy changes and thermochemistry, gotta love it! So, is everyone on this forum roid raging Chemist's, or was this knowledge obtain from experience?

**juiceda26** · 02-13-2010, 10:45 PM

after 15 minutes all the crystals were gone. its been three hours and they are still gone.

**juiceda26** · 02-13-2010, 10:49 PM

http://i50.tinypic.com/2yx4vfo.jpg

**juiceda26** · 02-13-2010, 10:50 PM

http://i48.tinypic.com/313ir8j.jpg
i got this to make the injections less painful just incase.

**Phate** · 02-14-2010, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by juiceda26

http://i48.tinypic.com/313ir8j.jpg
i got this to make the injections less painful just incase.

thats great, because if the crystals do crash out at room temp you will have to add more solvent(grapeseed oil in this case) because you don't want the crystals crashing out of solution in your muscle after an injection

**juiceda26** · 02-15-2010, 12:21 PM

its been over 24 hours and its still good. i have some grapeseed oil i planned on mixing though for pain. just incase.

**Phate** · 02-15-2010, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Tim_nd32

Enthalpy changes and thermochemistry, gotta love it! So, is everyone on this forum roid raging Chemist's, or was this knowledge obtain from experience?

i wouldn't say i'm a chemist, but i'm studying biochemistry/biology in college so this type of thing is pretty normal in my everyday life lol

**Tim_nd32** · 02-15-2010, 06:12 PM

Same here, studying 2nd year biology and chemistry at Notre Dame, super pain in my ass!

**juiceda26** · 02-15-2010, 06:40 PM

i used the grapeseed and its been 5 hours and im still sore. i used 3/4ml and half ml of oil. im gonna try a full ml oil tomorrow.

**juiceda26** · 02-15-2010, 06:44 PM

i even warmed up the oil and prop in hot tap water before i injected. Do you think the crystals could look okay till i inject then crash in the muscle? Its just sore, not painful.

**Phate** · 02-15-2010, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by juiceda26

i even warmed up the oil and prop in hot tap water before i injected. Do you think the crystals could look okay till i inject then crash in the muscle? Its just sore, not painful.

it's normal to be sore, especially from shorter esters