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    First AAS cycle ..Please critique it!!

    Weeks 1-10: Test E 250mg x2 per week (500mg total)
    Weeks 5-11: hCG 250iu x 2 per week
    Weeks 12+: Nolva 40/20/20/20/10+Aromasin 10/5/5/5/5/5

    Do I need dianabol with this?
    And should clomid be preferred over Nolva?


    thanks!

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    Some people like dbol for weeks 1-4. I recommend an oral kickstart, personally, but it's not absolutely necessary.

    Curious about Aromasin as part of PCT. Most people run it concurrently with their test to fight estrogenic sides. Might suggest replacing with Clomid 150/100/100/100.

    Other than that looks fine, but, can't be sure without knowing a bit more about you.

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    i see a couple things id personally change about that layout, but would also like some stats 1st too

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    Age: 25
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    Weight: 160 pounds
    BF%: 11%
    Cycle Exp: 1 prohormone cycle ( H-drol solo)
    PCT Knowledge: Know a good deal about PCT
    Training Exp: 2 years
    Diet: High Protein, moderate carbs, low fat diet ( I have a good knowledge about the diet)

    I want to use test for lean bulking..I cut down to 160 lbs using h-drol

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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzkrieg1985 View Post
    Age: 25
    Height: 5'7"
    Weight: 160 pounds
    BF%: 11%
    Cycle Exp: 1 prohormone cycle ( H-drol solo)
    PCT Knowledge: Know a good deal about PCT
    Training Exp: 2 years
    Diet: High Protein, moderate carbs, low fat diet ( I have a good knowledge about the diet)

    I want to use test for lean bulking..I cut down to 160 lbs using h-drol
    what was your bf% before the hdrol cycle? im very curious.. and weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzkrieg1985 View Post
    Age: 25
    Height: 5'7"
    Weight: 160 pounds
    BF%: 11%
    Cycle Exp: 1 prohormone cycle ( H-drol solo)
    PCT Knowledge: Know a good deal about PCT
    Training Exp: 2 years
    Diet: High Protein, moderate carbs, low fat diet ( I have a good knowledge about the diet)

    I want to use test for lean bulking..I cut down to 160 lbs using h-drol
    You can gain so much more weight naturally, even at 5'7 and 160lb, i suggest you post your diet in the diet section and get it fixed.

    Regarding hcg i would run it up to pct, but not during it.
    Also skip the dbols IMO, and add some clomid in the PCT at 100,50,50,50.

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    160lbs is very light bro, I strongly suggest you improve you physique naturally before you use steroids or it will be a waste, and at your age you should be able to do it very easily with the right diet and training, the forums here will teach you all you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokedv View Post
    what was your bf% before the hdrol cycle? im very curious.. and weight?
    my bf% before the h-drol cycle was 14%..I kind of did a recomp on H-drol..

    Quote Originally Posted by stevey_6t9 View Post
    You can gain so much more weight naturally, even at 5'7 and 160lb, i suggest you post your diet in the diet section and get it fixed.

    Regarding hcg i would run it up to pct, but not during it.
    Also skip the dbols IMO, and add some clomid in the PCT at 100,50,50,50.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trenquility View Post
    160lbs is very light bro, I strongly suggest you improve you physique naturally before you use steroids or it will be a waste, and at your age you should be able to do it very easily with the right diet and training, the forums here will teach you all you need.
    thanks for the concern guys, but I want to do a lean bulk now and wish to use an AAS for that...

    do you think I should do my lean bulking without using an AAS?

    however, I would definitely give this a second thought and would refrain from using an AAS if it doesn't seem worthwhile..

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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzkrieg1985 View Post
    my bf% before the h-drol cycle was 14%..I kind of did a recomp on H-drol..





    thanks for the concern guys, but I want to do a lean bulk now and wish to use an AAS for that...

    do you think I should do my lean bulking without using an AAS?

    however, I would definitely give this a second thought and would refrain from using an AAS if it doesn't seem worthwhile..
    Bro I will PM you a thread of a guy that got banned but the thread is still there.. so you see what you can achieve natural.. if you achieve your plateau natural, gear will unlock new horizons for you.. but as of now you will reach the same plateau just quicker without unlocking new limits.. see it this way

    Edit: for some reason my computer glitches when I try to send PM sometimes here : http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...488&highlight=
    Last edited by stokedv; 02-15-2010 at 11:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzkrieg1985 View Post
    Weeks 1-10: Test E 250mg x2 per week (500mg total)
    Weeks 5-11: hCG 250iu x 2 per week
    Weeks 12+: Nolva 40/20/20/20/10+Aromasin 10/5/5/5/5/5

    Do I need dianabol with this?
    And should clomid be preferred over Nolva?


    thanks!
    You should start your pct from week 13 if running test en till week 10 included.
    You may want to consider starting HCG a little earlier.
    Why do not you consider the use of clomid with nolva?
    You may not need an AI in your pct but using HCG in your cycle may lead you to get your hands on it.

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    Any BW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    You should start your pct from week 13 if running test en till week 10 included.
    You may want to consider starting HCG a little earlier.
    Why do not you consider the use of clomid with nolva?
    You may not need an AI in your pct but using HCG in your cycle may lead you to get your hands on it.
    which week should I introduce the HCG in?

    How do I dose the clomid and nolva together, though I have read a lot of stickies on PCT , I would like to know your opinion...

    I am still unsure about the use of Aromasin ...

    I was advised by Ronnie to do a 20 week cycle: 8 week reload , 2 week deload, 8 week reload, 2 week deload, PCT starts from week 21..

    What are your ideas on this?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzkrieg1985 View Post
    which week should I introduce the HCG in?

    How do I dose the clomid and nolva together, though I have read a lot of stickies on PCT , I would like to know your opinion...

    I am still unsure about the use of Aromasin ...

    I was advised by Ronnie to do a 20 week cycle: 8 week reload , 2 week deload, 8 week reload, 2 week deload, PCT starts from week 21..

    What are your ideas on this?

    thanks
    This is your first cycle so I would simply do this:

    Weeks 1-10: Test E 500 mg (250x2)
    Weeks 3-12: HCG 125 iu E3D
    Weeks 13-16: Nolva 40/20/20/20
    Weeks 13-16: Clomid 100/50/50/50

    Aromasin at .25 mg eod from the use of HCG or in case you experience sides.

    Remember BW, before and after at least.

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    sorry for being ignorant, but I don't understand what BW is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzkrieg1985 View Post
    sorry for being ignorant, but I don't understand what BW is...
    He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a fool forever.

    BW = Blood Work

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    how much do they charge for a bloodwork? I am new to this so I have no freakin idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzkrieg1985 View Post
    how much do they charge for a bloodwork? I am new to this so I have no freakin idea
    I have no idea either man since I have no idea where you live.

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    i am in the US

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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzkrieg1985 View Post
    i am in the US
    Then, hopefully someone from there will chime in.
    I cannot help you.

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    thanks for all the help man..i really appreciate it

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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzkrieg1985 View Post
    thanks for all the help man..i really appreciate it

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