Thinking bout it.

[crazycoolguy007]

I am 23 years old and have been lifting for a good while now (7 years). I am looking too reach a new level of fitness. I am 5'7 165-170 lbs probably body fat around 12% and i am looking to add some mass while cutting down on fat. I wanna start with a cycle that will yield moderate results as i do not want my use to be obvious. Anyone have any beginner cycle suggestions for my desired results? This is my first post!! Yay!!

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Welcome a"board"

Dont take this the wrong way but....I think you would be able to gain more naturally with the proper calorie intake and workouts. Other than that I really recommend you do some independant research and find out what the substances you would like to use do and how they do it. Then post a cycle here and ask for opinions.

[c-Z]

Was about the same height and weight when i first cycled... If your diet is clean simple test would do you just fine.... Most will say your young. Then again your the same age I was when I started as well... You understand the risks at your age though?

[crazycoolguy007]

Yes I do. But I have pondered bout trying em since I was 18 but I chose to wait. I think i've waited long enough. I got a pretty clean diet. The occasional pizza bout once a month. About how much test to produce decent results without being too obvious?

[BIG_GUNS_21]

400-500mg would be a good cycle. For a first timer you could even get away with less.

[AnimalJ]

400-500mg would be a good cycle. For a first timer you could even get away with less.

could said person get away with 250 per week for 10 weeks if weighed ohhh 206?

[BIG_GUNS_21]

A person could get away with it yes. Back years and years ago when I first started it was 250mg/week and still got gains...If you want to get away with less gear you could get say 3 10ml test cyp or enth...250mg/ml and take 1.5 ml/week for a total of 375mg. That would be the best bang for yoru buck...You would get 2 10 week cycles out of that...Get some HCG, clomid and a good anti e...Set up your post cycle therapy....Do 10 weeks on...10-12 off and 10 weeks ok. Cheap and effective.

[crazycoolguy007]

how about test 250. i heard it was a blend of different tests and that it had less aromatizing effects. ( im scared to death of growing bitch tits) lol. i was also on accutane a while ago and it did not react well with my liver but i have access to blood tests at my college. i can get em done for 6 bucks as often as id like. is test as rough on the liver as accutane?

[BIG_GUNS_21]

No, test is not really rough on the liver. Test 250 could be a number of things...Sust 250 is a blend of different test esters...but test is test and MG for MG IMO it will aromatize pretty much the same. If your worried about bitch tits get some arimidex (get some anyways cause you should have it on hand) I think you should look at the steroid profile section of the board and learn about what you are thinking of using.

[crazycoolguy007]

ill check out that section cuz there are so many different stuff out there. But for my first cycle im gonna keep it simple and take ur advise. just some test and an anti estrogen. what exactly should i do post cycle if i did the test for 10 weeks?

[crazycoolguy007]

also if i added dianabol for a jump start at a really low does like 10 mg a day would the results be extreme? i really dont want extreme results either. nothing that i cant pass off as a new diet and workout regime to my friends and family. lol haha

[BIG_GUNS_21]

OK ill lay out what I would do.

week 1-10 test cyp 500mg/week
Week 1-15 .25mg arimidex ed (or eod)
Clomid @50mg ed 2 weeks after your last test shot and for 2-3 weeks with your dex.

Just the way I would do it...Take a look at the profiles for the things above and see what everything is for.

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Um...then you may want to look at my first reply...lol Do proper BBing diet and workout progam and you wont have to lie to your friends and family.

also if i added dianabol for a jump start at a really low does like 10 mg a day would the results be extreme? i really dont want extreme results either. nothing that i cant pass off as a new diet and workout regime to my friends and family. lol haha

[crazycoolguy007]

cool. thanks for all ur help big guns!

[TITANIUM]

I think that 23 is to young.

Your almost there, so wait and you will be better off.

I say 25 as my own metric.

Best

T

[stevey_6t9]

you can defiently gain more naturally.

[crazycoolguy007]

well at this point its all mostly just about getting informed and stuff. i honestly dont have a source. ( nor do i want one from here. ) I just want to be well informed should the opportunity arise so i know what to get, what to expect, and not b taken advantage off. To stevey, rest easy knowing i will train hard to make as many gains possible with or without gear. And to titanium, i dont see me getting any gear anytime soon so two years more of waiting is a definite possibility.

[AnimalJ]

A person could get away with it yes. Back years and years ago when I first started it was 250mg/week and still got gains...If you want to get away with less gear you could get say 3 10ml test cyp or enth...250mg/ml and take 1.5 ml/week for a total of 375mg. That would be the best bang for yoru buck...You would get 2 10 week cycles out of that...Get some HCG, clomid and a good anti e...Set up your post cycle therapy....Do 10 weeks on...10-12 off and 10 weeks ok. Cheap and effective.

Good to know, thank you good sir.