Winstrol VS Primo

[boxin23]

Hey guys i was wondering...if i had both some winstrol and Primo what would you guys recommend for a cutting cycle?

I was going to run Test E for 12 weeks and run either the winstrol or the primo the last 6. Any thoughts on one vs. the other?

thanks

[bjpennnn]

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[boxin23]

bj,

im in the middle of my first cycle
this would be a 2cnd cycle and im just researching at this point

5-7 and 156 lbs now...gained 13 in 1-1/2 weeks
bf-14%
PCT going to run Nolva and chlomid
Diet- Im running what this board has recommended for bulking right now
5300 cals...but im cutting it back. I just can't get all that food down. Im going to run about 4000 cals a day with about 220 grams protein 257 in carbs 67 in fat
I train 6 days a week usually.
I used to box and have lifted on and off integrating it into my boxing since High School.
im 36

I was just wanting some opinions on winstrol vs the primo.

thanks a lot...

[bjpennnn]

yikes bro you are very very light.

[boxin23]

i actually used to fight at 122. Diet alone got me recently to 140. Then i started my cycle. Now at end of week 2 i am 156. Yes i fought very lean. Michael Carbajhal (spelling is wrong!) style.

Thoughts on the Primo...?

[bjpennnn]

are you actually fighting now? If not then i see no need to run this cycle.

[boxin23]

No. My goal is to get up to 170 now and be lean though and cut.

[FireGuy]

bj,

im in the middle of my first cycle
this would be a 2cnd cycle and im just researching at this point

5-7 and 156 lbs now...gained 13 in 1-1/2 weeks
bf-14%
PCT going to run Nolva and chlomid
Diet- Im running what this board has recommended for bulking right now
5300 cals...but im cutting it back. I just can't get all that food down. Im going to run about 4000 cals a day with about 220 grams protein 257 in carbs 67 in fatI train 6 days a week usually.
I used to box and have lifted on and off integrating it into my boxing since High School.
im 36



I was just wanting some opinions on winstrol vs the primo.

thanks a lot...

Those numbers only equal 2500 calories.

[boxin23]

My original diet:

1st meal:
smart start cereal
cup of milk
8 oz of grapefruit juic/ or orange / or acai berry
banana
2 whole eggs

2cnd meal:
2 slices wheat bread with serving of peanut butter on each
serving of grapes
cheese stick

3rd meal:
grilled chicken(6oz) mixed sallad no dressing
protein shake
cheese stick
Cottage cheese (6oz)
serving of grapes
serving of yogurt

4th meal:
Protein shake (post workout)
chicken or fish or elk steak (8oz)
Pasta with alfredo
Broccoli

5th meal:

2 servings of yogurt with grapenuts
apple

that was my original diet and i got up to 140 on that. I always eat what i think is pretty good. Never soda/beer/chips/candy, etc

so i would type all the protein/carbs/fat but ill give you the totals. I do record what i eat.

Protein 220 Carbs 257 Fat 67 Calories 3109.


then i changed to the sample diet on the diet forum, but can't maintain it. it is too tough on me i think. What do you think about the diet above?

[bjpennnn]

Those numbers only equal 2500 calories.

nice job ha

[boxin23]

so is that "no love" on the winstrol or primo question guys?
got both...gonna do one or the other...just wondering which?

[bjpennnn]

You should not have started the cycle to begin with. Way to light.

[TITANIUM]

He's in the middle of it now, so it's to late.

What is your bulking cycle now consist of?

Best

T

[boxin23]

its the biggest i've ever been. I was always 125lbs. Got to 143 before i started.

Test E 250 every 3 days for 12 weeks
PCT chlomid and nolva

Diet as described above
Gym 6 days a week

any ideas T...

thanks

[boxin23]

I thought the whole purpose for me to run a cycle of test was to put on some more size...i've always been a skinny ass and it sucks. I ate my ass off to get to 143. Then i started my cycle hoping to keep gaining from the diet and let the test kick in. I was hoping to get to a solid 170.

[FireGuy]

My original diet:

1st meal:
smart start cereal
cup of milk
8 oz of grapefruit juic/ or orange / or acai berry
banana
2 whole eggs

2cnd meal:
2 slices wheat bread with serving of peanut butter on each
serving of grapes
cheese stick

3rd meal:
grilled chicken(6oz) mixed sallad no dressing
protein shake
cheese stick
Cottage cheese (6oz)
serving of grapes
serving of yogurt

4th meal:
Protein shake (post workout)
chicken or fish or elk steak (8oz)
Pasta with alfredo
Broccoli

5th meal:

2 servings of yogurt with grapenuts
apple

that was my original diet and i got up to 140 on that. I always eat what i think is pretty good. Never soda/beer/chips/candy, etc

so i would type all the protein/carbs/fat but ill give you the totals. I do record what i eat.

Protein 220 Carbs 257 Fat 67 Calories 3109.

then i changed to the sample diet on the diet forum, but can't maintain it. it is too tough on me i think. What do you think about the diet above?

Wrong again, this is just over 2500 calories, 2511 to be exact. Your diet above??? Milk, Orange Juice, Cheese Sticks, Cereal, Wheat Bread with Peanut Butter? Honestly, your diet is a notch above terrible. You should repost in the diet section and get it worked over. I have a feeling this is 99% of your problem.

[boxin23]

your numbers are not correct fire guy...ill post the numbers off my spreadsheet later. I think it is due to serving size possibly.
Ill post it in the diet section.
A notch above terrible??? The sample diet has 10 oz of wheat bread and 5 oz of cheese in one sitting. What is the difference in my wheat bread with the cheese sticks? I guess it is the quality of food one buys. These cheese sticks are not the type one might buy for his 5 year old to take to school. There is Milk, juice and peanut butter in the sample diet also.

Maybe someone should take the damn sample diet off of the forum if it is so bad!

[bjpennnn]

this is like a kindergardeners diet lol. cheese sticks. ha

[FireGuy]

your numbers are not correct fire guy...ill post the numbers off my spreadsheet later. I think it is due to serving size possibly.
Ill post it in the diet section.
A notch above terrible??? The sample diet has 10 oz of wheat bread and 5 oz of cheese in one sitting. What is the difference in my wheat bread with the cheese sticks? I guess it is the quality of food one buys. These cheese sticks are not the type one might buy for his 5 year old to take to school. There is Milk, juice and peanut butter in the sample diet also.

Maybe someone should take the damn sample diet off of the forum if it is so bad!

I dont need a spreadsheet to know I am right and you are wrong on this

220 grams of protein at 4 calories a gram = 880 cals
257 grams of carbs at 4 calories a gram = 1028 cals
67 grams of fat at 9 calories a gram = 603 cals
880+1028+603=2511 This is not debatable!

[FireGuy]

your numbers are not correct fire guy...ill post the numbers off my spreadsheet later. I think it is due to serving size possibly.
Ill post it in the diet section.
A notch above terrible??? The sample diet has 10 oz of wheat bread and 5 oz of cheese in one sitting. What is the difference in my wheat bread with the cheese sticks? I guess it is the quality of food one buys. These cheese sticks are not the type one might buy for his 5 year old to take to school. There is Milk, juice and peanut butter in the sample diet also.

Maybe someone should take the damn sample diet off of the forum if it is so bad!

What forum did you get that sample diet from? Please link me.

[laduem88]

I dont need a spreadsheet to know I am right and you are wrong on this

220 grams of protein at 4 calories a gram = 880 cals
257 grams of carbs at 4 calories a gram = 1028 cals
67 grams of fat at 9 calories a gram = 603 cals
880+1028+603=2511 This is not debatable!

BAHAHA yea i love doing that when people are like "im eating like 7000 cals a day" 99% of the time there eating half or even less what they say

[FireGuy]

BAHAHA yea i love doing that when people are like "im eating like 7000 cals a day" 99% of the time there eating half or even less what they say

This is even worse in that he is giving me the macro totals then arguing with me on how many calories it comes out to.

[6ft5]

Lol! U guys crack me up!

[boxin23]

that is not my diet....THE DIET I AM ON IS ON THIS FORUM IN THE DIET SECTION UNDER SAMPLE DIETS. I respect your guys' knowledge. I am incorrect on the totals for the protein, carbs, fat, but not the kals. So my mistake. The diet i am on from the diet section on this site is 5300 kals. That is what i have been eating. I am cutting that back about 1000 kals a day. It is just too much for me. The diet above is what took me from 122 to 140. You have to understand i ate like a bird before that. I am a business exec and coffee and skipped lunches with no breakfast was a norm for several years.

[Okinawa_Power]

When i was bulking I was eating 50,000 cal a day....most of my calories came from Snickers.......and ice cream...........

Snickers: Nuts/Chocolate
Ice Cream: Milk(Protein)/sugar (Carbs)

[Rex9933]

I dont need a spreadsheet to know I am right and you are wrong on this

220 grams of protein at 4 calories a gram = 880 cals
257 grams of carbs at 4 calories a gram = 1028 cals
67 grams of fat at 9 calories a gram = 603 cals
880+1028+603=2511 This is not debatable!

very informative post! nice