First cutting cycle

[B1gDaddy]

Height: 6'0
Weight:210lb
Age: 26
LBM: 152
TDEE: 3347
Cycle Exp: 1 cycle over a year ago, possibly next one this May if I reach my current goals
BF%:18%

Im planning on running a cutting cycle that will be something like 500 mg of sust/week and 50 mg of winny daily for possibly 12 weeks but not exactly sure at this moment. I doubt this is ideal but its what i've got so far. Pros/cons, suggestions,help, and ideas are welcome

[AnimalJ]

If diet is in check AAS can assist you in "cutting" I would say from my experience and knowledge i have acquired 99.9% of cutting is all in the diet. go into a caloric deficit hit cardio up twice a day once on an empty stomach in the am and again in the pm. couple that with an intense weight training split and bam your cut! Try carb restriction, look into the anabolic diet works great (http://www.australia-bodybuilding.co...lic%20Diet.pdf) ill leave aas recommendations to the others.

[bjpennnn]

I would not run winny for 12 weeks. Cutting or bulking is all baised on diet/cardio/workout routine. You probably need to get your diet in check first man 18%bf is a little high. You can make great gains naturally for awhile. Dont rule out the may 1st deadline. But you should try to hit 14% imo. Which if you get your diet in check you should be able to do or come close to it.

check out this link,http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ev+secret+pros take notes, make a diet of your own that you think you will be able to follow with macros and throw it up in the diet section and let some of the pros there hack at it. Good luck.

[B1gDaddy]

If diet is in check AAS can assist you in "cutting" I would say from my experience and knowledge i have acquired 99.9% of cutting is all in the diet. go into a caloric deficit hit cardio up twice a day once on an empty stomach in the am and again in the pm. couple that with an intense weight training split and bam your cut! Try carb restriction, look into the anabolic diet works great (http://www.australia-bodybuilding.co...lic%20Diet.pdf) ill leave aas recommendations to the others.

Yeah i already do 45 misn of cardio in the am on an empty stomach every day before classes but only 20min at the end of my workout mid day. My diet is pretty good too but i find i dont have the energy anymore to lift hard an an workout at a faster pace an giving my muscles less rest time. I tried adding some shitty carbs for some energy but didnt do a lot and i havent lost any weight in the past 3 weeks. So im now trying out a cutting cycle to help me make faster progress, this way i wontl ose as much muscle mass while cutting since i have test in me an it will also add to the cutting part on top of the winny. I think.. lol thats why im here to make sure its all alright

[B1gDaddy]

I would not run winny for 12 weeks. Cutting or bulking is all baised on diet/cardio/workout routine. You probably need to get your diet in check first man 18%bf is a little high. You can make great gains naturally for awhile. Dont rule out the may 1st deadline. But you should try to hit 14% imo. Which if you get your diet in check you should be able to do or come close to it.

check out this link,http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ev+secret+pros take notes, make a diet of your own that you think you will be able to follow with macros and throw it up in the diet section and let some of the pros there hack at it. Good luck.

Mhm 18 is a little high but that was off of an electrical bf% machine thingy while i was on my cycle last year and ive heard that those things are very inaccurate. So i should be lower but i havent been able to drive out to the shop that does it cause my classes are pretty busy an a lot of work is handed out. Im lucky the gym is on the college campus connected my class's building or id never be able to workout lol

[AnimalJ]

I got cha. Give that anabolic diet link a look see its some good stuff to cut up quick. Also "Vishus" has a mean pre contest diet he posted and hes in phenomenal shape if yo u wanna give that a search.

[B1gDaddy]

I got cha. Give that anabolic diet link a look see its some good stuff to cut up quick. Also "Vishus" has a mean pre contest diet he posted and hes in phenomenal shape if yo u wanna give that a search.

Ive watched all those videos a while back actually I havent heard of Vishus tho.. would you mind linking me to it?

[B1gDaddy]

I would not run winny for 12 weeks.

Any reason for this? Too much for the heart? or

[redz]

Any reason for this? Too much for the heart? or

It's liver toxic....

[B1gDaddy]

It's liver toxic....

ok so what wud be a good time span to run winny an sust for?

[AnimalJ]

Vishus is a member of the forum, here is his diet i copied it for myself. DIET: WEEKS 1-8
MEAL 1: 6 WHOLE ***** EGGS
MEAL 2: 8 OZ CHICKEN, 1 TBSP NATTY PB
MEAL 3: 8OZ CHICKEN 1 TBSP NATTY PB
MEAL 4: 50G WHEY ISO, 1 TBSP NATTY PB
MEAL 5: 6 OZ SIRLOIN, GREENS SALAD WITH 1 TBSP OLIVE OIL
MEAL 6: 8OZ CHICKEN, 1 TBSP NATTY PB

DIET: WEEKS 9-11
**FOLLOW SUGGEST DIET ABOVE FOR 2 DAYS THEN HAVE 1 DAY WITH PROTEIN AND GREENS ONLY;NO FATS
DIET WEEKS 12-14
**FOLLOW THE SUGGESTED DIET ABOVE FOR 1 DAY THEN HAVE 2 DAYS WITH PROTEIN AND GREENS ONLY; NO FATS

DIET: WEEKS 15-16
** PROTEIN AND GREENS ONLY



WORKOUT REGIME
SUNDAY:OFF
MONDAY: LEGS
Leg extensions: 4 x 15
Squats: 3 x 10-15
Lunges: 4 x 20-25 steps each leg
Seated ham curl: 4 x 15
Straight leg dead lift: 3 x 15

TUESDAY: SHOULDERS
DB press: 4 x 10-12
Laterals: 3 x 10
Cable laterals: 3 x 15
Reverse pec dec: 3 x 10-12
DB shrugs: 3 x 10-12

WEDNESDAY: OFF
THURSDAY: BACK
Chins: 3 x MAX
Cable rows: 3 x 15
T-bar row: 3 x 10-12
Lat pulldown: 3 x 12-15
Hyperextensions: 3 x 15

FRIDAY: CHEST
Incline DB press: 3 x 10-12
Flat DB press: 3 x 10-12
Incline flys: 3 x 15

SATURDAY: ARMS
Incline curl: 3 x 10
Preacher curl: 3 x 12-15
Hammer curl: 3 x 10
Machine dips: 3 x 10-12
Skullcrushers: 3 x 10
Rope pushdowns: 3 x 15

**workouts changed rarely; this is what worked best for me, rest between sets was no more than 20-30 seconds. Get a huge pump and get out and to cardio haha





CARDIO SCHEDULE:

WEEKS 1-4: 40MINUTES TREADMILL AM ONLY
WEEKS 5-8: 60 MINUTES POST WORKOUT ONLY
WEEKS 9-12: 90 MINUTES (45 IN AM AND 45 POST WORKOUT)
WEEKS 13-16: 120 MINUTES (60 IN AM AND 60 POST WORKOUT)

[B1gDaddy]

Vishus is a member of the forum, here is his diet i copied it for myself. DIET: WEEKS 1-8
MEAL 1: 6 WHOLE ***** EGGS
MEAL 2: 8 OZ CHICKEN, 1 TBSP NATTY PB
MEAL 3: 8OZ CHICKEN 1 TBSP NATTY PB
MEAL 4: 50G WHEY ISO, 1 TBSP NATTY PB
MEAL 5: 6 OZ SIRLOIN, GREENS SALAD WITH 1 TBSP OLIVE OIL
MEAL 6: 8OZ CHICKEN, 1 TBSP NATTY PB

DIET: WEEKS 9-11
**FOLLOW SUGGEST DIET ABOVE FOR 2 DAYS THEN HAVE 1 DAY WITH PROTEIN AND GREENS ONLY;NO FATS
DIET WEEKS 12-14
**FOLLOW THE SUGGESTED DIET ABOVE FOR 1 DAY THEN HAVE 2 DAYS WITH PROTEIN AND GREENS ONLY; NO FATS

DIET: WEEKS 15-16
** PROTEIN AND GREENS ONLY

6 whole eggs seems like a lot for a cutting diet. But i like some of the other things in that diet, I might give it a shot just because its very easy lol, i wud only need to get chicken breast over an over an 1 steak for each day.

I also still need to know how long its recommended to run a cutting cycle using sust an winny from someone out there.

[bjohnson1968]

personally if I was going to run winny I would run it the last 4 weeks of cycle
IMHO

Peace

[B1gDaddy]

personally if I was going to run winny I would run it the last 4 weeks of cycle
IMHO

Peace

Thing is I dont want to do a full bulking, getting huge cycle right now. I just want to cut an get in optimum shape for my next bulking cycle. Thats why i want to just do this on its own so i can focus on just cutting.

[bjohnson1968]

Winny is very taxing on your liver Bro not to mention the drying of your tendons
I wouldnt do it. You got tabs too Don't you they are even worse on the liver than injecting just my .02

Peace

[B1gDaddy]

I dont have any of my gear yet. I just have a friend in uni that says he knows someone who he gets his gear from an he can pick some up for me.

[bjohnson1968]

I agree with everyone else here you can cut with proper diet on any cycle

Peace

[hankdiesel]

It's liver toxic....

and reaks havoc on your hdl levels