Any one one here that was over 18%-20% BF take steroids?

[Just2Big]

Just curious. Baseline is 15%BF for any real results while on steroids. Can any one who has taken any steroids who was over 18-20% BF give us details about your cycle, diet , training and weather you got good or bad results. Also how your health was effected. And any side effects you may have had. Post pics if you have them. Thanks.

[mwild12]

Well I have yet to run anything "legit" (being that I'm only 21)...but I did run a cycle of Epistane last spring with my bf% probably around 25 or so % (I know, I wasn't smart in running it at all...but now I know to wait it out and such). My diet was not clean at all, and I was eating maintenance calories only but managed to keep about 7lbs gained after the 6 week cycle, bf% dropped some, and my strength went through the roof. Had no sides at all, ran nolva for pct and came out very happy with it. Not sure if the same "rules" as far as bf% being too high to see gains would relate to these "prohormones/steroids" as with legitimate gear...just sharin my experience.

[JockReborn]

Russian Roulette....you never know what's going to happen. A few years ago I had a friend, who I had told repeatedly to wait, cycled and had rough sides of bloat and was having to fight off gyno the entire time. I've also seen people do it and have little to no problems whatsoever. You never know how your body will respond but we do see the effects of estro be more pronounced in those with higher bf%.
My advice would be to slow down and get your body ready so the chances are lower of having pronounced side effects.
You've waited this long in your life to use AAS (which is a smart decision as it is) and another 3-6 months of leaning will do nothing but benefit.

-J

[Eddie_m63]

Well I have yet to run anything "legit" (being that I'm only 21)...but I did run a cycle of Epistane last spring with my bf% probably around 25 or so % (I know, I wasn't smart in running it at all...but now I know to wait it out and such). My diet was not clean at all, and I was eating maintenance calories only but managed to keep about 7lbs gained after the 6 week cycle, bf% dropped some, and my strength went through the roof. Had no sides at all, ran nolva for pct and came out very happy with it. Not sure if the same "rules" as far as bf% being too high to see gains would relate to these "prohormones/steroids" as with legitimate gear...just sharin my experience.

Same boat as you.

[terraj]

I have ran a couple of cycles at 20%.

No proplems, but, I don't get bloat or gyno at any BF %.

One of the bigger concerns is your blood pressure, which should watched closely.

Best to be at a lower BF level if you don't know what you are doing and don't know how your body handles it.

[LeroyB]

18 or 19 my first cycle - Bad sides from Dbol, almost 0 sides from Test.

[Injected21]

IMHO i think it actually idiotic and abusive of steroids to use with a bf% like that. Steroids are not meant to be a miracle drug to do the work for you, they are meant to take you to the next level after you plateau from training. Obviously if you are at 20% bf you havent been training long enough to use AAS. - Just my opinion

[flyspyder55]

i dissagree. the only time ive had gyno problems was my cycle where i was at my absolute leanest. ive cycled anywhere from 8-25% (and after 2 years out of the gym it's about where i'm at now) and ive never noticed BF% to effect anything.

right now, for me personally, the quick gains really motivate me to keep on my diet, keep training hard, and when i finish this cycle, i'll have lots of motivation to cut hard, seing as i'll actually have some muscle to show off when i'm lean

[lexruger]

IMHO i think it actually idiotic and abusive of steroids to use with a bf% like that. Steroids are not meant to be a miracle drug to do the work for you, they are meant to take you to the next level after you plateau from training. Obviously if you are at 20% bf you havent been training long enough to use AAS. - Just my opinion

dumb observation... i see people in my gym who train consistently for the past few years and they still have a higher body fat percentage. What it comes down to is training and DIET. Plus, people with high BF arent always taking them to lean up but bulk up.

[PC650]

I have ran a couple of cycles at 20%.

No proplems, but, I don't get bloat or gyno at any BF %.

One of the bigger concerns is your blood pressure, which should watched closely.

Best to be at a lower BF level if you don't know what you are doing and don't know how your body handles it.

same here!!!

[Injected21]

dumb observation... i see people in my gym who train consistently for the past few years and they still have a higher body fat percentage. What it comes down to is training and DIET. Plus, people with high BF arent always taking them to lean up but bulk up.

Dumb observation? You say that people train for 2 years with a poor diet and still have a high bf%. Well no shit... If you cant stick yourself to a diet then what makes you think that they are ready to use Pharmaceutical enhancements? If people really were serious about their bodies and trained for 2 years they would have at least some what of a proper diet. It amazes me that you think that people that cant configure a serious diet are ready for a serious drug. Its like young kids who take steroids to impress the girls who dont know anything about eating right and just want the short cut. You can lower bf% on your own, then comes AAS...

[Just2Big]

Any way I just wanted to see some other peoples results that were over weight and used AAS. Because BF is always a issue. I myself have went from around 30%to under 20%bf durring a cycle. I did tons of cardio, weight training and my diet was great. I could have did it natural but I didnt. And the AAS sure helped get it done ASAP. I had no sides what so ever. I also know a guy who droped from around the same BF down to around 15%bf. I wanted to see the good and bad. Because on this site only the best of the best get aproved for AAS use. People dont think outside the box. Most fat people dont want 40 ED of Dbal, 500 Test a week and with EQ at 600 a week with some Deca, ext........... They dony want to get big and grow and gain more weight. They want a light dose of Test with some clen or T3 to keep the muscle they have. A kick start for energy and a fat loss boost. Test drops body fat. Gyno, bloat and bitch tits can be avoided with a A.I. And as long as they cycle properly and pay attention to there health it should be ok. And why struggle and fight to lower your body fat on your own only to use AAS later? Why not use them to aid your fat loss and get it done in half the time. I think people just want to feel like you have to earn the right to use AAS. Since most of them trained for many years before they got into it. Again with the proper diet, cardio, weight training, blood work, and check ups on BP and chloresteral. The use of AAS with a A.I. could be used with great success. And obviously if you get sides just stop your cycle. On the other hand if you have a high BF, bad diet, high BP, High chloresteral and dont have a good base to start off and are a slacker.Then yes, its a bad idea. to use AAS.

[Mr Busta sweat]

I have a close to 20% Bf. I think that alot of Bros are only saying that with a Lower BF you are going to see better gains. Really I think that a lower BF shows your Dedication to the Sport. Without proper Diet and all that other Crap it takes to maintain a Low BF. I Beleive the main Point with AAS is its not something to be taken Lightly. ITS Serious SH!T..

[terraj]

IMHO i think it actually idiotic and abusive of steroids to use with a bf% like that. Steroids are not meant to be a miracle drug to do the work for you, they are meant to take you to the next level after you plateau from training. Obviously if you are at 20% bf you havent been training long enough to use AAS. - Just my opinion

Great another asshole speaking in absolutes.

I started training at 18, now aged 39, 5.7, 230 and around 20% atm....am I an idiot?

[xephonics]

I did 40mg/day dbol and 500mg test E/week at about 16-18% and no sides.

My bf is not really a big concern as my main goal is strongman and not BB'n

[Injected21]

Great another asshole speaking in absolutes.

I started training at 18, now aged 39, 5.7, 230 and around 20% atm....am I an idiot?

Bro no ones calling you out its just seems to be like more of an addiction and a necessity that people think they need to look good. Lets dont forget here... AAS are drugs and people do tend to use them for the wrong reasons ... ex: people wanting to take a short cut to cut body fat instead of achieving it naturally . This is why steroids have such a bad wrap. IMO they should only be used to progress yourself to the next level. So why not cut the bodyfat and get more impressive gains. Anyone with a proper diet and an effective fat loss routine should be able to reach 15% bf naturally, which helps you get to the creation of lean muscle mass, something that everyone wants

[xephonics]

you only seem to be focusing on people who wants to get cut, or have getting cut as their primary goal. That is too large of a blanket stereotype for AAS users. I use them to gain strength, size is just a byproduct.

[hkntbro]

i did it and i had no problems first week testosterone reduce my bf from 20% to 15 and less at 300 mg only

[terraj]

Bro no ones calling you out its just seems to be like more of an addiction and a necessity that people think they need to look good. Lets dont forget here... AAS are drugs and people do tend to use them for the wrong reasons ... ex: people wanting to take a short cut to cut body fat instead of achieving it naturally . This is why steroids have such a bad wrap. IMO they should only be used to progress yourself to the next level. So why not cut the bodyfat and get more impressive gains. Anyone with a proper diet and an effective fat loss routine should be able to reach 15% bf naturally, which helps you get to the creation of lean muscle mass, something that everyone wants

have you done a cycle? What are your stats and lifts? I think I maybe talking to a teenager...
I have done 5-6 cycles in the whole time I have trained.

[Just2Big]

I think the health issues where coverd enuff and its clear you must be carefull and use AAS at higher BF. ANd use proper with the right diet and exercises. I just dont get why e veryones arguement now is fat people should get skinny naturally first. Why WHy Why WHy WHy. If you are going to be a cheater. Cheat your way there. Why not have aid at weight lose and build more muscle on the way to getting skinny? What fat guy wants to train and diet for 3 years when then can add AAS and do it in 6 months. I just cant seem to think of any good reason to say do it natural and cheat later. It seems like the people that say that just want to feel like you have to work hard for years to earn the right to use AAS.

[Just2Big]

Cheat now and later.

[Mooseman33]

Terraj, i think ur talking to a parrot..

some people dont understand that we all have different goals.....
i am more then happy around 12-15%...

dont let this kid get to you...

[tripmachine]

I cycled at 20+% before...... and that didn't work out so well the first time... i still ate pretty bad with the mentality... (i'm on gear i should eat like an animal) I ate whatever basically... HORRIBLE way of thinking. I gained a lot more fat and looked even worse... had a tad more muscle but i was gross! Felt gross looked gross and just didn't like the experience.

When I was 27% bf i dropped my % down to 19% then cycled with a proper diet / workout routine and i dropped down to 12-13% It all depends on each individual as well as how bad they want to do things right... I still would suggest starting lower than higher because you will gain more of the positives from it than the negs...

[Vitruvian-Man]

Tons of people use steroids (or TRT) when their BF% isn't within the 'optimal' zone.

If you're going to do this just make sure you have an AI on hand to control estrogen related problems, as there is a higher chance of them occurring.

-VM

[ghettoboyd]

I think the health issues where coverd enuff and its clear you must be carefull and use AAS at higher BF. ANd use proper with the right diet and exercises. I just dont get why e veryones arguement now is fat people should get skinny naturally first. Why WHy Why WHy WHy. If you are going to be a cheater. Cheat your way there. Why not have aid at weight lose and build more muscle on the way to getting skinny? What fat guy wants to train and diet for 3 years when then can add AAS and do it in 6 months. I just cant seem to think of any good reason to say do it natural and cheat later. It seems like the people that say that just want to feel like you have to work hard for years to earn the right to use AAS.

man its hard to take what you say seriously when you call using aas "cheating"...most of us have no asperations to compeat and are not pro athleats....i feel that most peeps who advise getting your bf% down before you cycle is that it just makes good sense.....shure lots of peeps dont see any negative sides due to higher bf and some see many...it just goes to show that where all different and react to aas differently as well so cycling at a lower bf# is just one of the many factors in cycling responsibly....the point of cutting before cycling is so you can learn what works for you in the diet and cardio dept. first so when you do cycle you can hit the ground running so to speek and your body is primed for better results....that being said its your body so do as you please just know the risks that are involved...good luck...

[amcon]

i dissagree. the only time ive had gyno problems was my cycle where i was at my absolute leanest. ive cycled anywhere from 8-25% (and after 2 years out of the gym it's about where i'm at now) and ive never noticed BF% to effect anything.

bf does def effect the sides you will incure, as estro gets higher it likes to hide in fat, many issues can come from that... gyno, fat hard to remove from specific spots, high blood preasure, hypertention... on and on

point is ever one is dif that is why you alway see the test only cycle suggested first to c how ppl will react to it... the 15 % is a standard to keep every thing simple if issues arise + it is a good starting point for aas, it shows some one is prob ready cuz they have some what of a clean diet, and hopfully mantain that with good work out splits

right now, for me personally, the quick gains really motivate me to keep on my diet, keep training hard, and when i finish this cycle, i'll have lots of motivation to cut hard, seing as i'll actually have some muscle to show off when i'm lean

that is a great way for you to train - but is it the best for others? no - most people have no idea how to eat right and thus just blow it in the diet catagory... so giving that advise is not the greatest way to help others looking for help - or like some who just what to hear they can cycle cuz some one onthe internet said they would be fine... that is not why this site is here

i did it and i had no problems first week testosterone reduce my bf from 20% to 15 and less at 300 mg only

test takes 2 - 3 weeks to get in to your system... so of coarse you didnt have any issues the first week... advise like this shows lack of knoledge or lack of communication of what acutlly happen... fyi taking less than 300mg a week is just about hrt/trt values... not really a aas cycle as the op is refering to

Just curious. Baseline is 15%BF for any real results while on steroids. Can any one who has taken any steroids who was over 18-20% BF give us details about your cycle, diet , training and weather you got good or bad results. Also how your health was effected. And any side effects you may have had. Post pics if you have them. Thanks.

YOU WILL GET RESULTS AT ANY BF%... it is not results we are warning about at bf above 15% it is the bad side effects,

what you really need to do is tell us your goals then we (take advise from ppl who have lots of posts... fyi) can give you intellegent advise on how to get to your goals...

post your stats and that will get us started (goals too
)

[SlimJoe]

your playing with fire if your body fat is that high in my view

[Injected21]

have you done a cycle? What are your stats and lifts? I think I maybe talking to a teenager...
I have done 5-6 cycles in the whole time I have trained.

Ok porky well obviously it hasn't gotten you that far. If you have done 6 cycles and your bf is still at 20% then apparently you arent doing something right which goes on even further to prove my point.

Since you are so interested in my stats:

Age: 26
Wt: 215
Ht: 5'11
Bf: 8%

And that is all from 3 cycles.

[Mooseman33]

again, not everyone has the same goals...

ur attitude sucks kid.

[workoutfreak078]

I have cycled at 25%+ and got down to 9% on a 16 week cycle. Came out looking jacked as hell too. It took a strict diet and workout routine. Very strict. Steroids don't do the work for you.

To be honest, I was probably a lot higher than 25%. I was 242lbs at 6'1. I dropped down to 189lbs, and maintained it around 195lbs. I looked 225+ though.

[gymnerd]

The biggest concerns with high BF are BP issues and gyno. I have cycled with high BF before and did so once with a terrible diet thinking eating everything in site was the answer and also felt like shit looked worse than went in and was bloated all to hell gyno wasn't an issue for me though.

I did the same thing again BF was alot lower but still high BP stayed more within reason I would highly recommend regular cardio to help plus all the supps to help I also ate very clean and results were amazing completely different results no bloat put on quality muscle and dropped some BF I also ran some HGH though.

DO NOT listen to the parrots the presume that everyone wants to be a BB but BF is not an issue with strength athletes, power and explosiveness is where its at. It can be done but ALOT more care and caution need to be taken and USUALLY those are not strong points for those with high BF except as noted above. Overall if you are not a competitive strength athlete I would get the BF down first as the results will be better as you will be able to bulk and not worry about the fat as much.

[Injected21]

What do you mean not everyone has the same goals? You mean to tell me that not everyone wants to have lean muscle mass and a low bf%? Thats why everyone is on here and is so damn interested in AAS. In the end almost everyone will have the same goals in mind. Its all about the long run, sure you can cycle up now and cut fat down but why waste your time when u can do it on your own first w/o harmful substances

[gymnerd]

What do you mean not everyone has the same goals? You mean to tell me that not everyone wants to have lean muscle mass and a low bf%? Thats why everyone is on here and is so damn interested in AAS. In the end almost everyone will have the same goals in mind. Its all about the long run, sure you can cycle up now and cut fat down but why waste your time when u can do it on your own first w/o harmful substances

One thing you have to understand is alot of compettive athletes like powerlifters, strongman, fighters, football players the list is too long to complete are not all that concerned with what BF they have or how they look on the beach they care about one thing performance.

Like was said not everybody has the same goals.

[Just2Big]

sure you can cycle up now and cut fat down but why waste your time when u can do it on your own first w/o harmful substances

Why wast your time working hard for 3 years to accomplish it when you can do it in 6 months with AAS. And if your going to use those harmful substances later anyway why not just use them now.

[gymnerd]

Why wast your time working hard for 3 years to accomplish it when you can do it in 6 months with AAS. And if your going to use those harmful substances later anyway why not just use them now.

Thats not the right attitude right there it is NOT a shrtcut. It will not take the fat off diet and cardio is the ONLY way. You have to learn to diet and train first buddy if not I promise you will not be happy with the results. If you dont have the dedication then you should not use AAS/

[Jumbo18]

I have cycled at 25%+ and got down to 9% on a 16 week cycle. Came out looking jacked as hell too. It took a strict diet and workout routine. Very strict. Steroids don't do the work for you.

To be honest, I was probably a lot higher than 25%. I was 242lbs at 6'1. I dropped down to 189lbs, and maintained it around 195lbs. I looked 225+ though.

Congrats workoutfreak that's a great accomplishment! What was your cycle
you ran to help you get to your results?

[AnonEagle]

What do you mean not everyone has the same goals? You mean to tell me that not everyone wants to have lean muscle mass and a low bf%? Thats why everyone is on here and is so damn interested in AAS. In the end almost everyone will have the same goals in mind. Its all about the long run, sure you can cycle up now and cut fat down but why waste your time when u can do it on your own first w/o harmful substances

sorry but your shear stupidity angers me so damn much!! go look at ANY world class powerlifter. you show me a single one that squats 900+ and is cut to look good on the beach.

next look at football players. particularly an O Lineman. my school's coach expects them to have the weight, typically 290+, regardless of if they have to gain FAT to do it. its NECESSARY to the sport.

This list goes on and on. Not everyone is egotistic and risks their health to look good on beach. No offense intended to anyone else that does do juice even if you don't compete at all.



anyways on topic..
I play college football and reported at a decent size, but was somewhat behind in strength. While always a hard worker just struggled especially on the bench to be where a lot of other incoming freshmen were, who were already benching the 400s..

So I did one cycle of Test E 583mg/week at a somewhat high BF%, probably around 20%. I actually gained a few lbs. and i'm sure lost some BF% without even meaning to or wanting to.

I am currently:
19y.o.
6' 4''
260ish
bench: 225x10ish
squat: 405x6ish

[Injected21]

sorry but your shear stupidity angers me so damn much!! go look at ANY world class powerlifter. you show me a single one that squats 900+ and is cut to look good on the beach.

next look at football players. particularly an O Lineman. my school's coach expects them to have the weight, typically 290+, regardless of if they have to gain FAT to do it. its NECESSARY to the sport.

This list goes on and on. Not everyone is egotistic and risks their health to look good on beach. No offense intended to anyone else that does do juice even if you don't compete at all.



anyways on topic..
I play college football and reported at a decent size, but was somewhat behind in strength. While always a hard worker just struggled especially on the bench to be where a lot of other incoming freshmen were, who were already benching the 400s..

So I did one cycle of Test E 583mg/week at a somewhat high BF%, probably around 20%. I actually gained a few lbs. and i'm sure lost some BF% without even meaning to or wanting to.

I am currently:
19y.o.
6' 4''
260ish
bench: 225x10ish
squat: 405x6ish

K first of all kid your 19 and that is way too young to even be thinking about AAS. Second your strength vs your weight is way too low. You definitely have a lot to go as far as peaking naturally. And your little rant there is kinda comical; i can see why tho, your weak and porky like your friend up there. You have already done a cycle and you bench 225x10 @ 260 lbs... jesus man this makes me depressed so many idiots jump into AAS before doing the research bc they all want to have the edge without having to work. Do yourself a favor and dedicate yourself to the gym for about 4 more years... then maybe you can consider AAS.

[Injected21]

Lastly I would also advise you start your own thread so everyone can tell you how retarded you are for using AAS. Thanks! that is all...

[workoutfreak078]

Congrats workoutfreak that's a great accomplishment! What was your cycle
you ran to help you get to your results?

Thanks.

I ran Sustonan 250 and Equipoise. The Sust I ran at 500mg a week, and the EQ I ran at 600mg a week. I also did two weeks on and two weeks off of Clenbuterol (that really helped me shed the fat as well). I did about 3 cycles of Clen. To be honest, that was my second cycle. The first cycle I did was a year before, and it was the exact same thing. I did what most of the people on this thread did and did not keep a strict diet. I got no results whatsoever. Sure, I added some muscle mass but I looked horrible. So much bodyfat and you couldn't even tell I cycled. My arms were just really big, that was pretty much it. It didn't matter though because you couldn't see the muscle since it was covered in fat.

The second cycle I made sure my diet was strict as all hell. I suffered for 16 weeks but I didn't care. My workouts were intense and I didn't bullshit around. I ended up at 6'1, 190lbs and 9.5% bodyfat. I looked like a monster and I was ripped. My friends came back from college with beer guts and they were balding. They didn't get one girl that summer. I must have got about 15+ numbers, and who knows how many girls. I'm telling you, and so is everyone else, if your diet and workout routine are not on the ****ing money, you aren't getting results.