Abdominal body fat and estrogen link!!!!

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

Hi.

I read a thread that said that their is link between estrogen and high abdominal body fat....

I have alot of abdominal bodyfat (bf% = 26) and that is where most of my bodyfat is....

Is it true that men who have alot of fat and whos fat is mostly on their waist and abdomen have a high amont of estrogen in them?

So therfore would taking an AI say adex, letro or topical formestane with clen help get rid of somre of my excess bf% roun my waist n abdomen?

Would it be wise to do this?

[daem]

Well, trunk fat is generally considered the most dangerous fat to have on your frame.

Diet + Cardio is the best way to attack fat on your entire body and get down to an acceptable fat %.

I've heard of people trying this with an anti-estrogen, but you are in essence robbing Peter to pay Paul since some of those compounds you mentioned negatively impact your lipid profile.

Higher bf in general doesn't necessarily mean higher estrogen for everyone, but you won't see anyone under 10% that has high estrogen.

Case by case basis.

Just to reiterate, do NOT use an anti-e with this when diet + cardio will get you to where you want to be.

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

Well, trunk fat is generally considered the most dangerous fat to have on your frame.

Diet + Cardio is the best way to attack fat on your entire body and get down to an acceptable fat %.

I've heard of people trying this with an anti-estrogen, but you are in essence robbing Peter to pay Paul since some of those compounds you mentioned negatively impact your lipid profile.

Higher bf in general doesn't necessarily mean higher estrogen for everyone, but you won't see anyone under 10% that has high estrogen.

Case by case basis.

Just to reiterate, do NOT use an anti-e with this when diet + cardio will get you to where you want to be.

Thanxs.

I have measurements in place to control lipid values and have had them measured a few weeks ago!

They r posted on the blood results section.

[Swifto]

Hi.

I read a thread that said that their is link between estrogen and high abdominal body fat....

I have alot of abdominal bodyfat (bf% = 26) and that is where most of my bodyfat is....

Is it true that men who have alot of fat and whos fat is mostly on their waist and abdomen have a high amont of estrogen in them?

So therfore would taking an AI say adex, letro or topical formestane with clen help get rid of somre of my excess bf% roun my waist n abdomen?

Would it be wise to do this?

As far as I'm aware, reducing estrogen will not reduce fat mass.

Men that store their bodyfat in the waist area are more likely to suffer from CHD and cardiovascualr desease.

You need to increase your cardio and/or reduce your calories.

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

As far as I'm aware, reducing estrogen will not reduce fat mass.

Men that store their bodyfat in the waist area are more likely to suffer from CHD and cardiovascualr desease.

You need to increase your cardio and/or reduce your calories.

I thought it might not!

It was just a thought.

I have reduced em and do shadow boxin alteast 3 times a week!

A strange is my bf might b high but my blood pressure is EXCELLENT n my cholesterol is VERY GOOD!

I am plannin on increasin cardio more by volunteerin 2 look after animals at a sanctuary n do conservation work!

See this link for a basic idea:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=420086

How many calories r needed to build muscle on a PH?

Do isoflavones increase test or e?

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Taking an AI can help. Its not really robbing peter to pay paul if there is an inbalance. And in a lot of cases men with high body fat percentages have low testosteron and higher estrogen because the fat on the body helps convert the natrual testosterone you have to estrogen...And estrogen can make people hold more body fat...Its one of the reasons that 12-15% BF is good for a man, but 18-22% is good for a woman.

So technically an AI can help by freeing some bound test and slowing the conversion to estrogen. If you google AI for fat loss there are a few studies as well. But....diet is by far the way to go. Nothing is going to do it better than that...

[Chimera44]

Hi.

I read a thread that said that their is link between estrogen and high abdominal body fat....

I have alot of abdominal bodyfat (bf% = 26) and that is where most of my bodyfat is....

Is it true that men who have alot of fat and whos fat is mostly on their waist and abdomen have a high amont of estrogen in them?

So therfore would taking an AI say adex, letro or topical formestane with clen help get rid of somre of my excess bf% roun my waist n abdomen?

Would it be wise to do this?

The link is that body fat produces estrogen. The more you have of one, generaly the more you have of the other and vise versa. AI's wont make you drop fat like crazy but it wouldnt be a bad diet aid.

[Reaver.]

I have the same problem with my gut as you. It stores the majority of my total body fat, its really annoying. The positive side to getting most fat in your gut is, once you have abs, you can very easily distinguish when you need to fix up your diet as your abs start to fad away.

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

Taking an AI can help. Its not really robbing peter to pay paul if there is an inbalance. And in a lot of cases men with high body fat percentages have low testosteron and higher estrogen because the fat on the body helps convert the natrual testosterone you have to estrogen...And estrogen can make people hold more body fat...Its one of the reasons that 12-15% BF is good for a man, but 18-22% is good for a woman.

So technically an AI can help by freeing some bound test and slowing the conversion to estrogen. If you google AI for fat loss there are a few studies as well. But....diet is by far the way to go. Nothing is going to do it better than that...

I read some articles on pubmed that states this link!

I goodled it in and looked it up on pubmed!

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

The link is that body fat produces estrogen. The more you have of one, generaly the more you have of the other and vise versa. AI's wont make you drop fat like crazy but it wouldnt be a bad diet aid.

Nice!

Their is also al link between bodyfat and penis size!

I also have a small dong!

What AI would u recommend?

See above reply for mention of pubmed.

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

I have the same problem with my gut as you. It stores the majority of my total body fat, its really annoying. The positive side to getting most fat in your gut is, once you have abs, you can very easily distinguish when you need to fix up your diet as your abs start to fad away.

My fat on the otha parts is dissapperin n my arms n legs r tighter!

Even my manboobs have shrunk!

The fat on my waist n abs is not dissapperin much!

True bout the positive stuff.

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Generally that is how men lose fat as well. Face, legs, arms, chest then the LONG wait and it will come off the belly.

Its not really that fat produces estrogen. From what I have read it promotes the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. So there is a connection between people holding a lot of fat having low testosterone and high estrogen because of that and an AI can help.

[Chimera44]

Generally that is how men lose fat as well. Face, legs, arms, chest then the LONG wait and it will come off the belly.

Its not really that fat produces estrogen. From what I have read it promotes the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. So there is a connection between people holding a lot of fat having low testosterone and high estrogen because of that and an AI can help.

That makes more sense thnx for clarifying.

[Machdiesel]

I have used a supplement called Lean Xtreme. It lowers estrogen and controls cortisol. I have seen AMAZING results with this product. It lowered fat in my chest, lower abs and hips. It also made me very vascular. Really a great product while cutting

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

Generally that is how men lose fat as well. Face, legs, arms, chest then the LONG wait and it will come off the belly.

Its not really that fat produces estrogen. From what I have read it promotes the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. So there is a connection between people holding a lot of fat having low testosterone and high estrogen because of that and an AI can help.

Thanxs for claryfing it!

I read it happened in mice!

[Jbert22]

greak, u have posted lots of threads. if you wana drop weight change your diet and workouts. PERIOD. In my opinion u are nitpicking on what COULD BE WRONG WITH YOU instead of takin care of what you need to be doin. If you are truly worried bout high estro then go get a bloodwork test and that will solve all questions. just hit the gym daily and eat good foods man. peace

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

I have used a supplement called Lean Xtreme. It lowers estrogen and controls cortisol. I have seen AMAZING results with this product. It lowered fat in my chest, lower abs and hips. It also made me very vascular. Really a great product while cutting

I have heard of this product 2!

It is basically a prohormone and made by Designer Supplements!

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

greak, u have posted lots of threads. if you wana drop weight change your diet and workouts. PERIOD. In my opinion u are nitpicking on what COULD BE WRONG WITH YOU instead of takin care of what you need to be doin. If you are truly worried bout high estro then go get a bloodwork test and that will solve all questions. just hit the gym daily and eat good foods man. peace

I am dieting and doin cardio but I want to slim for summer!

I had bloodwork done but not for had estro measured!

Do u think i should just do cardio then?....

But I also want to put some muscle on?

[Jbert22]

dude just do it naturall. how old are you? i can help you out

[Jbert22]

how many carbs and how much protein you take in daily?

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

how many carbs and how much protein you take in daily?

I am 31 years old n 5ft 10 ins.

Min carbs and mostly protein and omega 3!

[Jbert22]

go to the diet forum. watch the video. think its called so u wana learn how to diet. its badass and i strongly suggest you watch it and watch it over and over until you learn it!! my bro is 10 years older than you and was in much worse shape than you he changed his diet and leaned out quick without working out. he ran a lemon clense diet for a week and cleaned himself out and dropped 10 pounds in a week. you can do it without aas bro. you gota just do it!! lol

[Swifto]

Generally that is how men lose fat as well. Face, legs, arms, chest then the LONG wait and it will come off the belly.

Its not really that fat produces estrogen. From what I have read it promotes the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. So there is a connection between people holding a lot of fat having low testosterone and high estrogen because of that and an AI can help.

The skin is a peripheral source of estrogen aswell.

In adipose tissue aromotase activity is expressed (mesenchymal cells).

The P450 aromatase gene (CYP19) converts androstenedione to estrone (E1). Adipose tissue-derived estrogens drive fat to subcutaneous and breast tissues, whereas androgens promote central or visceral fat accumulation.

Aromatase activity varies significantly by region, with greater expression in adipose tissue from buttocks and thighs compared to that from abdomen and breasts aswell.

[lexruger]

Nice!

Their is also al link between bodyfat and penis size!

I also have a small dong!

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[GREAKWESSNIPES]

go to the diet forum. watch the video. think its called so u wana learn how to diet. its badass and i strongly suggest you watch it and watch it over and over until you learn it!! my bro is 10 years older than you and was in much worse shape than you he changed his diet and leaned out quick without working out. he ran a lemon clense diet for a week and cleaned himself out and dropped 10 pounds in a week. you can do it without aas bro. you gota just do it!! lol

there are several vidz!

do i watch all of em?

Which 1 is it?

There are major health concerns with the lemon cleanse diet!

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

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wtf

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[GREAKWESSNIPES]

The skin is a peripheral source of estrogen aswell.

In adipose tissue aromotase activity is expressed (mesenchymal cells).

The P450 aromatase gene (CYP19) converts androstenedione to estrone (E1). Adipose tissue-derived estrogens drive fat to subcutaneous and breast tissues, whereas androgens promote central or visceral fat accumulation.

Aromatase activity varies significantly by region, with greater expression in adipose tissue from buttocks and thighs compared to that from abdomen and breasts aswell.

Very interesting Swifto....

You r the man bruv!!!!

Did u check out my PCT n ancillaries?

What did u think of my basic bloods n bp?

[magic32]

The link isn't between belly fat and estrogen, it's between belly fat and a poorly chosen diet, beer, and a lack of efficient cardio. Folks are always looking to science rather than simplicity. Nevertheless, scientifically speaking, the relationship is an inverse one in that as these things improve (beers decrease, cardio increases & diet gets better) fat is necessarily reduced.

I know people hate to hear the truth, but that's the REAL CONNECTION...hard work & sacrifice.

Best to you.

[amcon]

well, it is very complicated but look at it like this... estrogen likes fat and kinda hides in there so if you could get a drug that would help release the estrogen from the fat it would make fat or body fat easier to eliminate...

so the point to walk away with is that the drug your talking about or considering wont in it self remove waist body fat... get it?

what it will do is help your DIET choices if they are good help you eleminate your body fat thus your waist fat... your WORK OUT SPLITS will help you create more lean body mass that will help you burn more body fat... your CARDIO will help burn the fat that is easier to get to cuz the estogen is protecting the fat....

hope that helps

btw - letro is a great place for you to start researching

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

well, it is very complicated but look at it like this... estrogen likes fat and kinda hides in there so if you could get a drug that would help release the estrogen from the fat it would make fat or body fat easier to eliminate...

so the point to walk away with is that the drug your talking about or considering wont in it self remove waist body fat... get it?

what it will do is help your DIET choices if they are good help you eleminate your body fat thus your waist fat... your WORK OUT SPLITS will help you create more lean body mass that will help you burn more body fat... your CARDIO will help burn the fat that is easier to get to cuz the estogen is protecting the fat....

hope that helps

btw - letro is a great place for you to start researching

Yo bro.

Thanks for the bigup!

I like letro it is a good AI - very powerful!

It helped alot bruv!

I lost 2.2lbs in a week!

Just with the simple shadow boxing, weights, and stomach work!

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

The link isn't between belly fat and estrogen, it's between belly fat and a poorly chosen diet, beer, and a lack of efficient cardio. Folks are always looking to science rather than simplicity. Nevertheless, scientifically speaking, the relationship is an inverse one in that as these things improve (beers decrease, cardio increases & diet gets better) fat is necessarily reduced.

I know people hate to hear the truth, but that's the REAL CONNECTION...hard work & sacrifice.

Best to you.

That is evident neway!

I have not drunk booze since January and my I am always increasin cardio!

Is walking dogs and looking after animals good cardio?

My diet is a protein/omega 3 one!

[lovbyts]

There is always a magical answer or pill available if you look for it.

Im sure it has nothing to do with the burger, sausage, chips, beer, candy or the lack of exercise for many years.

Wouldnt it be great to abuse our bodies for years with junk and then just take a pill/drink/lotion and have all the fat go away while we WATCHED football on TV? LOL

Im sure my weight gain from a normal 160 up to 210 was due to my estrogen and the loosing all the fat and gaining muscle had nothing to do with changing my diet and working out for 2 years+

How long did it take to put the midsection fat on? It will take a while to get it off unless you do lipo.

[lovbyts]

That is evident neway!

I have not drunk booze since January and my I am always increasin cardio!

Is walking dogs and looking after animals good cardio?

My diet is a protein/omega 3 one!

Dude, since January? Fvck me and you guys wanting a quick fix.

Take an aspirin and call back in a year. Keep NOT drinking beer/alcohol, learn to diet properly by visiting the diet section, get in the gym daily and look for results in a few MONTHS, little by little.

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

Dude, since January? Fvck me and you guys wanting a quick fix.

Take an aspirin and call back in a year. Keep NOT drinking beer/alcohol, learn to diet properly by visiting the diet section, get in the gym daily and look for results in a few MONTHS, little by little.

Yo bro.

I dont know u kna!

the thing is I do not drink alot of alcohol neway.... enfact the only time i used to drink was at celebr8shns!

I am not lookin 4 a quick fix just smfin 2 help me.

I want to loose the flab by July!

Is it possible???

My diet was cre8ed by TOP from the diet section.

I suffer from Adult ADHD/ADD as I lack concent8shn on simple tasks n my mind wanders off alot....

If I am diagnosed with it I will be put on the CNS stimulant Ritalin neway!

[Swifto]

That is evident neway!

I have not drunk booze since January and my I am always increasin cardio!

Is walking dogs and looking after animals good cardio?

My diet is a protein/omega 3 one!

You go on about estorgen and abdominal fat, LJ100, limiting HPTA inhibtion with herbs and a load of other things, but you need to get the basics right first. I understand you want to learn, but the basics are what everyone's bodies and results are built on.

Your obviously overweight becuase of your diet, cardio routine (or lack of) and training routine (or lack of).

Stop eating shit. Do 45mins low/moderate intensity cardio everyday at 60-90% MHR and fit in your resitance training 3-4 times per week.

Its not rocket science mate.

No, looking after animals isnt cardio.

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

You go on about estorgen and abdominal fat, LJ100, limiting HPTA inhibtion with herbs and a load of other things, but you need to get the basics right first. I understand you want to learn, but the basics are what everyone's bodies and results are built on.

Your obviously overweight becuase of your diet, cardio routine (or lack of) and training routine (or lack of).

Stop eating shit. Do 45mins low/moderate intensity cardio everyday at 60-90% MHR and fit in your resitance training 3-4 times per week.

Its not rocket science mate.

No, looking after animals isnt cardio.

I do that bro....

Peoples versions of cardio differs!

I resistance train 3-4 times a week neway!

My diet was designed by TOP n I am down to 14st 6.2lbs now!

Looking afda animals is hard work n exercise!

I do 30 mins shadow boxin!

I built up the weight over years n trust me it is droppin of bruv.

[Swifto]

Good.

Dont just do low/moderate intensity cardio. Throw in some HIIT once or twice per week. Its suproir over extended peroids for fat oxidation. 1min sprint, 1.30min rest, repeat...

As long as your activity increases and calories decrease, you'll see results.

[lovbyts]

Yo bro.

I dont know u kna!

the thing is I do not drink alot of alcohol neway.... enfact the only time i used to drink was at celebr8shns!

I am not lookin 4 a quick fix just smfin 2 help me.

I want to loose the flab by July!

Is it possible???

My diet was cre8ed by TOP from the diet section.

I suffer from Adult ADHD/ADD as I lack concent8shn on simple tasks n my mind wanders off alot....

If I am diagnosed with it I will be put on the CNS stimulant Ritalin neway!

Im almost 48, Im on Vyvance for ADD/ADHD I was 210 lbs 3 years ago. Diet and exercise fixed it. I didnt even think about a cycle until I went down to 160 and wored back up to 170+

Dietis what you need. Trying to blame it on estrogen is like saying fat obese people have a hormone problem and it has nothing to do with all the junk they put in their mouth.

It will take some time but yes by July you should be able to get down to a good weight and loose the fat.

sorry if I came across harsh but we would all ike a magic pill. No such thing.

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

Good.

Dont just do low/moderate intensity cardio. Throw in some HIIT once or twice per week. Its suproir over extended peroids for fat oxidation. 1min sprint, 1.30min rest, repeat...

As long as your activity increases and calories decrease, you'll see results.

Thanx bro....

Im goin 2 try the HIIT thing!

I have not mentioned limitin HPTA inhibition wit herbs, LJ100 in as long time!

It is good to know bout estro, HPTA, negative feedback inhibition so you have the knowledge in place 4 when u do a cycle!

Trib, fenu, LJ, isoflavones dont work ATALL!

Jus marketin gimmicks by supp comps!

Is cheese a godd protein source?

I use pubmed to do all my reseach now!

[dec11]

That is evident neway!

I have not drunk booze since January and my I am always increasin cardio!

Is walking dogs and looking after animals good cardio?

My diet is a protein/omega 3 one!

if u had my dogs it would be!! lol