Lots of spare

**Ghost823** · 02-27-2010, 02:43 AM

A friend of a friend has some spare gear I wasn't going to take the plung but have recently decided to i know for certain he has test and dbol only looking for somthing low dosage I can pan out and put on some size at a not rapid pace more gradual will 30mg of dbol for 6weeks be fine for first cycle /nolva for pct

thanks in advance

**LeroyB** · 02-27-2010, 03:34 AM

age
weight
bf
cycle exp
diet

**Ghost823** · 02-27-2010, 03:48 AM

I'm 20 years
weight is 65-70kilo
Bf% I do not know
no cycle exp
trainning for a little over 2years gym 3times a weeks push/pull/leg split
lifts 115kg bench
35kg dumbells
diet consists of high protein meals chicken,turkey,redmeats through the day 4times with complemetory protein shakes and bars for snacking

**LeroyB** · 02-27-2010, 10:30 AM

You might want to have a quick read here buddy:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398146

and

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=332958

Rock and Roll.

**Ghost823** · 02-27-2010, 11:37 AM

So I read these 2 threads and alot of people start early some as early as 17/18years of age I don't class myself as a kid looking for a quick fix I been hiting the gym for more than 2 years have my diet good..I eat high carb also to pack on the weight I realise that if steroides where so easy to do everyone would be doin it I train religiously with no reward

**Ghost823** · 02-27-2010, 05:13 PM

Bump bump anybody have a view on this

**SlimJoe** · 02-27-2010, 05:18 PM

i would stick to a test cyp or ena for first cycle like but i would still say let time be as you will still be firing test

**LeroyB** · 02-28-2010, 02:34 AM

Ok so you read this:

1) Your under 25 (ish). Your natty test is still likely high, and you probably still have room to grow. You may not have spent the time reaching your natural limit, which is the best time to consider a boost. Choice is yours tho! This varies from person to person, but is a pretty good general rule. If you're a teen, dont even think about it. Why would you? Your likely jacked on natty test right now! Use it!

and

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

and

In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

I can only assume...
1) you dont care if you mess your life up forever - have "Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems", and need to take shots for the rest of your life
2) you dont belive it
3) willing to take your chances

Which is it?

**lovbyts** · 02-28-2010, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by Ghost823

So I read these 2 threads and alot of people start early some as early as 17/18years of age I don't class myself as a kid looking for a quick fix I been hiting the gym for more than 2 years have my diet good..I eat high carb also to pack on the weight I realise that if steroides where so easy to do everyone would be doin it I train religiously with no reward

Yes they do and even younger. Now how many do you now who are in their 30, 40s+ who dont have some kind of permanent problems associated with starting early? You will find plenty of people here who DO have permanent problems such as now being on HRT since 30 due to low/no libido because their natural testosterone production was lost.

Most people who experience serious sides dont stay in weight training so they dont stay on the site either. Starting young can cause serious kidney/liver failure. Some people are smart enough to associate the two, some arent but none are here because they CANT work out anymore.

You will do what you want. I now a few in High school who did. NONE of them are into weight training anymore, most all are FAT, not in great health and one is dead, his kidneys gave out but hey, he did win a state championship at 19 so Im sure that was worth it. I think he made it to 21?

Keep the attitude. It will get you far... maybe even 6ft under.

**Ghost823** · 02-28-2010, 12:42 PM

These are all possibilitys not certaintys Theres a few people on here that started real early I've read some threads smoking can give you cancer people still do it rite drinking Kills your liver people still do it why so much negative around steroides if it's done correctly then surly it's not so dangerous

**Kibble** · 02-28-2010, 12:59 PM

Because there is no guaranteed way to prevent shutdown... no matter how careful you are

**Ghost823** · 02-28-2010, 05:14 PM

Shut down is just a posibility rite not a certainty so it's take the risk and hope if you get test killed can you get a doc to test for low test or not

**Ghost823** · 02-28-2010, 05:28 PM

Can somthink like andro generator be used to make cortisol less effective

**LeroyB** · 03-01-2010, 12:33 AM

Still waiting for my multiple choice questions to be answered myself.
Cheers!

**Ghost823** · 03-01-2010, 07:43 AM

Sorry mate alot of people take the risk so it's number 3 For me

**lexruger** · 03-01-2010, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Ghost823

Sorry mate alot of people take the risk so it's number 3 For me

you are heardheaded about the whole issue so much that you dont even realize that dbol only is whack. Blow up like a balloon with water but you probably already know that since your very knowledgeable. Do some some reading and get it together because your attitude wont get you very far and why come here for answers if you aint gonna listen?

**LeroyB** · 03-01-2010, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Ghost823

Sorry mate alot of people take the risk so it's number 3 For me

No problem. Just wanted to make sure you are aware.
Lots of guys (myself included) won't be able to help you do something we view as stupid and dangerous. So understand this will be my last responce.
Hope you change your mind.

***D7M*** · 03-01-2010, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Ghost823

Shut down is just a possibility rite, not a certainty so it's take the risk and hope if you get test killed can you get a doc to test for low test or not

wrong. you will be shut down.

permanent shut down, as well as a host of other dangers is what is the risk.

**Ghost823** · 03-01-2010, 02:04 PM

Leroyb: thanks for the info mate I'm not hard headed it's just alot of people do it there's people on here that are 20 and are in the middle if cycles all Replys have said to stay away from it so that's what Iv decided to do it's hard when you hit a platue an need a boost to get through it thanks to all for the replys

**Kibble** · 03-01-2010, 02:18 PM

When you hit a sticking point, a change to your diet and training is the answer. When you have exhausted all possible means to grow, and want more, then look to AAS. But nobody hits their peak at 20 years old unless they have been lifting since they were 10-15 years old years with a very educated advisor.... and that 20 year old sits at 10%bf or under with a considerable amount of muscle mass. Just imo

**"DIRTY D" SANCHEZ** · 03-01-2010, 03:27 PM

^^^agreed. I understand completely where you are coming from op- but as far as aas... If you are 20 and willing to take the risk, then my next advice (if you must get the edge for the sticking point) is to do a test e cycle only for 10-12 weeks and pct like normal. If its strictly for the sticking point, then you may consider an idea which most will consider very poor planning, but with pct your recovery should be a little easier, is to do a short burst cycle. I would take just test for 5 weeks, then pct with nolva/clomid at reg doses, and you should pass the stick and not be shutdown as long, which in turn allows for quicker recovery and less chance (not no chance less chance) for permanent shutdown.

This doesn't sound like the best first cycle i know, but you make it sound like you want to do this for just the stick point... So that is just an idea that may involve less sides and quicker recovery? I myself did this exavt same cycle when i was 19 and didn't even know what pct was, and i had great results. Thats not to say that i didn't lose half of the size and half the strength i gained. But with pct and perfect diet, i'd rather advise at a burst cycle to have a chance at better recovery then to advise dbol or even just a 12 week test e cycle.

Remember none of this is the advice of myself or any other member, i am just giving another option as to what may give you a fighting chance at not being shutdown permanently... Just try not to cycle, try something like the new sarms4 from the sponsor at the top. Give gear a couple years bro, i know i sure wish i would have

good luck,

"dirty d"

**lovbyts** · 03-03-2010, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Ghost823

Leroyb: thanks for the info mate I'm not hard headed it's just alot of people do it there's people on here that are 20 and are in the middle if cycles all Replys have said to stay away from it so that's what Iv decided to do it's hard when you hit a platue an need a boost to get through it thanks to all for the replys

Good to hear. Really it's true, if you put the effort into diet instead of aas for a few more years you will have gains that are just as good or better and the only side effects will be they are 100% natural, no worries about severe acne, bloat, shrinking size in only a couple weeks, your dick stop working or more serious sides that can be life changing.

Really really really, read up on the diet section. Learn to eat 6+ times a day and what to eat when. HUGE difference. Then learn how to change up your routines and to focus on FORM..... Form is 90% of people weak point. Form is 10x more important than how much you can lift for growing.