Help me Construct this cycle.

[FatLazyJuicer]

Hi Everyone.

I am looking for some help from you guys.

I am 24 years old, and have done a few cycles with Sustanon, Anadrol, EQ, etc, but now after having some pretty tough bouts with Tendonitis I am looking to incorporate some Deca into my routine.

I ideally was going to do a Sust/Tren cycle with an anadrol kickstart, but I really need something to help with the tendon pain, and granted I know I also have to lift in a manner to not re-injure, so I wotn be maxing out like before - but I know Deca has great anti -inflammatory properties so I am pretty set on putting it in.

Off hand I have:

-A ton of Sust and Enan - but I think Ill be using the Sust and saving the Enan for my normal weekly HRT injection
-4 bottles of Tren Enan 200
-2 bottles of Deca 300
-50 Tabs of Anadrol 50

My original plan was

weeks 1-10 -600MG weekly of Test, 600MG weekly of Deca
Weeks 11-15 - 600MG Weekly of Test, then tappering down to 250/300Mg a week until the next cycle. I was going to jumpstart with either 50/100MG a day of the anadrol.

My most recent cycle, which I got good gains off of was

250MG a week of Test E, 600MG a week of EQ, and 100MG a day of Anadrol for the first 4 week. I didnt like how the EQ dried my elbows out.

Let me know what you guys think

[tylerrrman]

Look up CMO, its a fatty acid that helps regrow tendon tissue, also obviously be taking all chrondroiton, MSM, and the like that you can... Then look into GHRH, GHRP-2&6, and take it from there. As far as the deca goes, good luck, I'm not a fan of the stuff.

[marcus300]

Your on HRT?

[FatLazyJuicer]

Yeah - well self prescribed- my first few cycles I didn't PCT so when I finally started feeling the effects of Low Test I got bloodwork done, which put me at low 400ng/ml and although the dr agreed it wasn't ideal he wouldn't put me on HRT - so I did it myself since I'd rather cruise in between cycles anyways and keep my gains

[stevey_6t9]

Yeah - well self prescribed- my first few cycles I didn't PCT so when I finally started feeling the effects of Low Test I got bloodwork done, which put me at low 400ng/ml and although the dr agreed it wasn't ideal he wouldn't put me on HRT - so I did it myself since I'd rather cruise in between cycles anyways and keep my gains

Are you serious?

So you are your own endocronologist now?

Ok first off your not 400ng/ml... that would put you at 400000 ng/dl

Im assuming you ment 400 ng/dl.... anyway that isnt low, im only 19 and im at 317ng/dl and i deal with it.

Your an idiot, and i don't advise you to cycle.

[FatLazyJuicer]

Are you serious?

So you are your own endocronologist now?

Ok first off your not 400ng/ml... that would put you at 400000 ng/dl

Im assuming you ment 400 ng/dl.... anyway that isnt low, im only 19 and im at 317ng/dl and i deal with it.

Your an idiot, and i don't advise you to cycle.

Ahh that's what I meant, not sure why I wrote ML.

As for me being an idiot, it's my choice what I do and why- 400 is considered low and there is a clear difference in how I feel when I'm at my "normal" level. In addition I train for strongman competitions so it's necessary for me to do cycles more often as I need my strength to constantly be on the increase.

Thanks for your opinon, but if people could just do their best to answer my question that would be great

[RANA]

Break down your previous cycles for us and what are your stats?

[FatLazyJuicer]

Break down your previous cycles for us and what are your stats?

I'm currently 24 - 5'11 220lbs on average

my first cycle was a short sustanon cycle at 500mg a day

second cycle was 600mg a week of test e and 75mg a day of liquid anadrol

third cycle was 250mg a week of test e, 600mg a week of EQ with a 100mg a day anadrol jumpstart for 4 weeks (I only had a limited amount of test available at the time hence the low dose)

I also did numerous pro hormones throughput the years (superdrol and clones)

[stevey_6t9]

Ahhh man your crazy. What are your goals?... Are you competing?

Obviously your still going to cycle anyway,

I would do a simple Test, Deca cycle with Drol to kickstart.

test 600mg 1-14
deca 400mg 1-12
anadrol 50mg 1-4

[FatLazyJuicer]

It's not that I'm ignorant and don't care, it's just that I've already made the mistakes and since my natty levels are low I may as well take advantage of gear and accomplish my goals as well.

I plan on competing by end of this year - as I mentioned some tendon issues held me back for the last 18 months.

Is 400mg of deca enough? Should I up the drol or even the test?? I've never used deca so I don't know what kind of gains I should expect whereas I have had some experience with drol and really liked the gains from 100 a day

[Remoguy]

I'm currently 24 - 5'11 220lbs on average

my first cycle was a short sustanon cycle at 500mg a day

second cycle was 600mg a week of test e and 75mg a day of liquid anadrol

third cycle was 250mg a week of test e, 600mg a week of EQ with a 100mg a day anadrol jumpstart for 4 weeks (I only had a limited amount of test available at the time hence the low dose)

I also did numerous pro hormones throughput the years (superdrol and clones)

man did you actually shoot 3500 mgs of sust a week? or is that typo?

[FatLazyJuicer]

man did you actually shoot 3500 mgs of sust a week? or is that typo?

Fahhhhk this is what happens when I post from an iPhone no it was per week lol

[stevey_6t9]

It's not that I'm ignorant and don't care, it's just that I've already made the mistakes and since my natty levels are low I may as well take advantage of gear and accomplish my goals as well.

I plan on competing by end of this year - as I mentioned some tendon issues held me back for the last 18 months.

Is 400mg of deca enough? Should I up the drol or even the test?? I've never used deca so I don't know what kind of gains I should expect whereas I have had some experience with drol and really liked the gains from 100 a day

400mg of deca is plenty if your wanting to run it for joint relief, as for your tendon issues deca wont do much. I have read Deca, EQ and HGH do speed up collagen synthesis though if it interests you. Make sure you have caber for the progestin gyno if it appear.

Regarding the drol if 100mg was good without major sides then stick with that.

[BennyLom]

You are 5 feet 11 and you plan a career in strongman!? You better grow a foot or two in height to stand any chance to be competitive in that sport.

[wukillabee]

400mg of deca is plenty if your wanting to run it for joint relief, as for your tendon issues deca wont do much. I have read Deca, EQ and HGH do speed up collagen synthesis though if it interests you. Make sure you have caber for the progestin gyno if it appear.

Regarding the drol if 100mg was good without major sides then stick with that.

Na, deca will just help it retain more water so u can lift more without pain and continue to kill ur tendons/ligaments. Only thing proven to fix/help/repair that is hgh, that's it! If u really have tendon/ligament issues, hgh is the only way to go. Especially if ur doing strongman, hgh should be a staple year around i would think?

[FatLazyJuicer]

Na, deca will just help it retain more water so u can lift more without pain and continue to kill ur tendons/ligaments. Only thing proven to fix/help/repair that is hgh, that's it! If u really have tendon/ligament issues, hgh is the only way to go. Especially if ur doing strongman, hgh should be a staple year around i would think?

I was thinking that - but also figured I'd wait a few years to start messing with HGH, Slin, and the likes.

I always thought Deca's main benefit is tendon ailment, as its an anti-inflammatory!?!?!

Id much rather run the tren I have instead and use the water retention from the Drol to help with lifts.

And yeah, I know Im short for the sport - but doesnt necessarily rule me out, just is a disadvantage

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

Deca is not for ligaments, its for joint lubrication. It is not a permanent fix either. It just holds water around them while lifting heavy to allow virtually no pain when lifting big. As for permanent repair, wukillabee said it right. Hgh is the only thing to start generation of ligament tissue.

As for your cycle- if you have all of this stuff, then i would maybe do a cycle like this:
Weeks 1-12 test e-600mg's a week
weeks1-8/10 deca- 500mg's a week
weeks 1-10 tren- 500 mg's a week
weeks 1-4 drol-100mgs a day

I'm not sure how experienced you are with tren, and you say this will be your first time with deca. so maybe run them both around 500 mgs a week. see how you work with that.

Good luck,

"dirty d"

[RANA]

If you want the benefits of deca with little to no water retention look at npp

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

^^^^damn, great call rana. I can't believe i didn't think of that. I haven't run it yet but would like to next year.

"dirty d"

[FatLazyJuicer]

Deca is not for ligaments, its for joint lubrication. It is not a permanent fix either. It just holds water around them while lifting heavy to allow virtually no pain when lifting big. As for permanent repair, wukillabee said it right. Hgh is the only thing to start generation of ligament tissue.

As for your cycle- if you have all of this stuff, then i would maybe do a cycle like this:
Weeks 1-12 test e-600mg's a week
weeks1-8/10 deca- 500mg's a week
weeks 1-10 tren- 500 mg's a week
weeks 1-4 drol-100mgs a day

I'm not sure how experienced you are with tren, and you say this will be your first time with deca. so maybe run them both around 500 mgs a week. see how you work with that.

Good luck,

"dirty d"

Sounds good- I have never used tren before either

I would think this is ALOT for me to use at this point in my cycling wouldnt you think? I dont want to be overloading and essentially wasting gear. Am i going to notice much of a benefit to adding the tren into the cycle you mentioned?

[FatLazyJuicer]

As for permanent repair, wukillabee said it right. Hgh is the only thing to start generation of ligament tissue.

Im curious, I dont really know anything about HGH - but I do have access to 100iu kits at a good cost - how would someone my age go about using it for a purpose such as mine?

Also, I always heard that the size you gain with growth is "permanent" i.e. lean mass, is this true? I dont want to end up looking like Tito Ortiz LOL

[RANA]

Since you have not ran either tren or deca I would say start with deca and test cycle, then for the cycle after this one you can try tren/test

[FatLazyJuicer]

Since you have not ran either tren or deca I would say start with deca and test cycle, then for the cycle after this one you can try tren/test

This is what I was thinking -

Thanks alot to both of you guys for your help!

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

Ya sorry man, that is a lot of gear and i wouldn't run that much to be honest. But i was just curious what you thought since you were already on hrt that you may be experienced with deca. You say your not, so a simple test deca cycle will be very beneficial for you. And just like rana said, try just test deca this cycle, next time you can try test tren, and after that if you like both, you could incorporate them together.

Good luck,

"dirty d"

[Bullnutz]

Deca is not for ligaments, its for joint lubrication. It is not a permanent fix either. It just holds water around them while lifting heavy to allow virtually no pain when lifting big. As for permanent repair, wukillabee said it right. Hgh is the only thing to start generation of ligament tissue.

As for your cycle- if you have all of this stuff, then i would maybe do a cycle like this:
Weeks 1-12 test e-600mg's a week
weeks1-8/10 deca- 500mg's a week
weeks 1-10 tren- 500 mg's a week
weeks 1-4 drol-100mgs a day

I'm not sure how experienced you are with tren, and you say this will be your first time with deca. so maybe run them both around 500 mgs a week. see how you work with that.

Good luck,

"dirty d"

Damb that cycle gets me horny!!!lol

[FatLazyJuicer]

Ya sorry man, that is a lot of gear and i wouldn't run that much to be honest. But i was just curious what you thought since you were already on hrt that you may be experienced with deca. You say your not, so a simple test deca cycle will be very beneficial for you. And just like rana said, try just test deca this cycle, next time you can try test tren, and after that if you like both, you could incorporate them together.

Good luck,

"dirty d"

Gotcha - Dont Deca & tren both convert to...Progestrene? (something sounding similar) whatever causes you to lose sexual function? Wouldnt 1200 total MG of the 2 compounds cause an issue like that with only 1/2 the amount in test?

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

No- it might if you were using a trt dose of like 200mgs a week. If you are not familiar with deca or tren then i repeat, i wouldn't run them together. I have used both, but i don't feel like i need both together yet... I think my body would do fine with it, but i am not competing yet so i feel that much gear is a bit much. I just got a wrong impression since you are already on trt. My mistake on that.

With a test level of 600mg's a week you will be fine. That is plenty of test to stop the sides of estro unless you are prone to it. (gyno) but if not, then just keep the nolva on hand for it or maybe letro or caber? I hear great things about caber and progest, also i hear it makes you a monster in the bed, i.e- multiple orgasms in men... Holla! Lol

but if you are considering both together and the larege cycle i posted, then 600mgs a week is sufficient for test levels.

Bullnutz- that cycle keeps looking better and better as i keep trying to find the problems in it, but i just can't lol. Maybe the amount of gear, but if you can handle it and are experienced for it i say get it haha. I may try it next year

"dirty d"

[FatLazyJuicer]

Brb maxing out my CC on Caber!!

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

Haha thats what i thought when i read the info lol. And i have talked to some guys who can verify that statement. It sounds "dreamy" lmao.

"dirty d"

[FatLazyJuicer]

Update -


So Im currently one week in on this cycke

100MG a day of anadrol, 50MG every 12 hours
600MG a week of Deca
750MG A week of Sustanon

Can I say, that I have never felt the way I feel now, not sure if its from the prop or what not kicking in so early - but minus a little bit of test flu i feel indestructible, alive, ready to just RUN!!!

That however may be cause the drol has my blood pressure through the roof, my head is gonna explode and my heart will follow shortly!!

Anyways, getting good strength gains, ailments arent really bothering me.

How long should the Deca take to fully kick in>

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

The drol is giving you most of the feeling that you are getting. The prop is low dose in comparison to the other esters, but it will help of course. The prop and drol will make you feel god like. As for the deca- it has the same half life as test e, so i assume that you will start feeling gains and sides around 4 weeks, but full levels are probably closer to 6-8 weeks? Didn't really look hard to find that but i didn't feel anything til the 3-4 week at all. Then after another week or two it was on and poppin haha.

Good luck,

"dirty d"

p.s.- if the times i stated are wrong, please correct me

[FatLazyJuicer]

The drol is giving you most of the feeling that you are getting. The prop is low dose in comparison to the other esters, but it will help of course. The prop and drol will make you feel god like. As for the deca- it has the same half life as test e, so i assume that you will start feeling gains and sides around 4 weeks, but full levels are probably closer to 6-8 weeks? Didn't really look hard to find that but i didn't feel anything til the 3-4 week at all. Then after another week or two it was on and poppin haha.

Good luck,

"dirty d"

p.s.- if the times i stated are wrong, please correct me

Thanks bro - Now im curious, when the Deca plows in, will I notice a drop in libido or should the 750MG of test offset that?

[RANA]

Thanks bro - Now im curious, when the Deca plows in, will I notice a drop in libido or should the 750MG of test offset that?

It can vary with everyone regardless of how high your test is.

[FatLazyJuicer]

It can vary with everyone regardless of how high your test is.

I figured this - what I meant to ask is, for the 3-4 weeks im waiting for the test to spike, am i going to have libido issues? Considering how with the first Deca injection your HPTA is pretty much shit