NOT NEWBEE Calling all experts/vets

[<Raven>]

28
6ft
215 week one, currrently 209 at week 4
12%
previous cycles, test only, test/winny, test/primo/winnny, test/eq

currently week 4
sust @ 600mgs/wk eod 1-15
eq @ 500mgs/wk eod 1-15
deca @ 400mgs/wk 1-13

ancillary supplements
b-12 inject ed 1000mcg
jack3d preworkout intensity
carbo gain maltodextrin
whey
aminos

diet
6-8 meals, mostly solid meals, equally spread throughout day
300+g protein/day (chicken, ground turkey,tuna, salmon, once a week steak)
400g carbs/day (massive fan of sweet potatos, brown rice, barilla+ pasta)
my bmr 3565 cal/day
intake 4000+

The problem
I'm prone to test flu, actually not prone, if I take any test...I WILL get test flu. No big deal it happens everytime and I expect it. It usually passes for me in 2-3 days and doesnt effect me anymore. This cycle started great and I waited and waited for the test flu, usually with sust I'd expect it around week 2 to 3 for me. Yet it didnt come...TILL week 4 and when it did it crippled me. Not being a vagina but it literally knocked me on my ass. I'm getting intermittent fevers, constant sweats, shakes, chills, a complete loss of appetite and diareahh. Monday I took my deca in my right delt felt great, slept well. Tuesday I pinned my eq and sust in my right glute felt amazing. Went to work and suddenly mid day i was sh#tting everywhere, sweating through my shirt, having chills, muscle aches and went home. I wasnt worried bc like I said I get test flu everytime. Wednesday I didnt have an injection other than the b-12 and I spent the day sweating and shaking in bed. Thursday it was time to pin my sust/eq again, within an hour of inject i my left glute siezed up and balled the gear...an hour later I was worse than tuesday and had to leave work again. Friday passed with just the b12 and me sweating through my brand new mattress pad, changing shirts every couple hours and sitting in the bathroom for hours. Saturday I woke up feeling pretty good and pinned the sust and eq in my left delt, I didnt completely relapse as bad but still didnt feel great and my body still wasnt taking the gear like it should, knotting up a bit. Sunday I felt awesome and thought I was in the clear.....until yesterday...I pinned my deca in my right delt and sust/eq in my right glute. Within hours I was as sick as I ever have been. Last night as a last desperation measure I took two spread doses of banadryl and when I woke today was a hell of a lot better but this cannot go on. My questions are, am I going to clear? Should I even bother with the next injection? The gear is clean, I know the source and my two best friends and training partners are running the same lot number of sust. COULD I have an allergic reaction to something in the gear? Is this lot of gear BA strong and AM I possibly BA sensitive? Would cutting with cottonseed oil or grapeseed solve this? My strength is rapidly increasing even though I feel like death after ever session and I've only missed a day of training through it all. But I cant lay out of work anymore and quite frankly I'm not a bitch but I cant take this kind of knotting anymore. I'm all over the place and this may be a bunch of iliterate sounding bullshit but I'd appreciate someone helping me figure this one out. I DONT want to come off and I WANT this cycle. If I can train like I can this sick, I definitely want to train like this healthy where I can hold down chow. Thanks and sorry for the rampling mess.

[Bullnutz]

28
6ft
215 week one, currrently 209 at week 4
12%
previous cycles, test only, test/winny, test/primo/winnny, test/eq

currently week 4
sust @ 600mgs/wk eod 1-15
eq @ 500mgs/wk eod 1-15
deca @ 400mgs/wk 1-13

ancillary supplements
b-12 inject ed 1000mcg
jack3d preworkout intensity
carbo gain maltodextrin
whey
aminos

diet
6-8 meals, mostly solid meals, equally spread throughout day
300+g protein/day (chicken, ground turkey,tuna, salmon, once a week steak)
400g carbs/day (massive fan of sweet potatos, brown rice, barilla+ pasta)
my bmr 3565 cal/day
intake 4000+

The problem
I'm prone to test flu, actually not prone, if I take any test...I WILL get test flu. No big deal it happens everytime and I expect it. It usually passes for me in 2-3 days and doesnt effect me anymore. This cycle started great and I waited and waited for the test flu, usually with sust I'd expect it around week 2 to 3 for me. Yet it didnt come...TILL week 4 and when it did it crippled me. Not being a vagina but it literally knocked me on my ass. I'm getting intermittent fevers, constant sweats, shakes, chills, a complete loss of appetite and diareahh. Monday I took my deca in my right delt felt great, slept well. Tuesday I pinned my eq and sust in my right glute felt amazing. Went to work and suddenly mid day i was sh#tting everywhere, sweating through my shirt, having chills, muscle aches and went home. I wasnt worried bc like I said I get test flu everytime. Wednesday I didnt have an injection other than the b-12 and I spent the day sweating and shaking in bed. Thursday it was time to pin my sust/eq again, within an hour of inject i my left glute siezed up and balled the gear...an hour later I was worse than tuesday and had to leave work again. Friday passed with just the b12 and me sweating through my brand new mattress pad, changing shirts every couple hours and sitting in the bathroom for hours. Saturday I woke up feeling pretty good and pinned the sust and eq in my left delt, I didnt completely relapse as bad but still didnt feel great and my body still wasnt taking the gear like it should, knotting up a bit. Sunday I felt awesome and thought I was in the clear.....until yesterday...I pinned my deca in my right delt and sust/eq in my right glute. Within hours I was as sick as I ever have been. Last night as a last desperation measure I took two spread doses of banadryl and when I woke today was a hell of a lot better but this cannot go on. My questions are, am I going to clear? Should I even bother with the next injection? The gear is clean, I know the source and my two best friends and training partners are running the same lot number of sust. COULD I have an allergic reaction to something in the gear? Is this lot of gear BA strong and AM I possibly BA sensitive? Would cutting with cottonseed oil or grapeseed solve this? My strength is rapidly increasing even though I feel like death after ever session and I've only missed a day of training through it all. But I cant lay out of work anymore and quite frankly I'm not a bitch but I cant take this kind of knotting anymore. I'm all over the place and this may be a bunch of iliterate sounding bullshit but I'd appreciate someone helping me figure this one out. I DONT want to come off and I WANT this cycle. If I can train like I can this sick, I definitely want to train like this healthy where I can hold down chow. Thanks and sorry for the rampling mess.

Are your gear isnt infected w bacteria?Thats the only thing that could get you that sick that quick.Or like you thought an allergic reaction.That sucks man.You could send me your gear and I could try it for you.hehe.

[daem]

This is one of the times I recommend you seek medical attention, especially if you plan on staying on.

You could try to filter the gear through a whatman once or twice for sterility, but I don't think it will help you.

You seem very stubborn...You have alot of black/white statements about "wanting it.", etc.

I've never experienced your situation after years of the game, so I don't know what else to say. Perhaps you have H1N1 or something that is not gear related?

Go to the doc...

[<Raven>]

I know it sounds that way, but trust me I will definitely come off if necissary. I may have had a touch of something that made this worse but being that the flu like symptoms are onset by injection I think my immune system is fighting the hormones hard and I dont believe the gear is dirty because the first 3 weeks(15 injections) went smooth and I didnt have a single sore pin or knot, as well as there are 2 guys cycling along side me running the same lot numbers from the same lab. There is something inmy body comp that causes this and I want to find it so I dont run into this again. I may be allergic to some cutting agent in the compounds and I have knotted in the past fromheavy BA concentrations from UGL's but its never been directly tied to test flu sympoms. What would make me more or less susceptable to test flu as well. My training partner and I always cycle together and he never gets it, I get it every time. Its just that I typically get it on a scale of 1-10 at maybe a 3 and this is like a 10. Again, I will come off if necissary but I dont want to if I can clear this.

[<Raven>]

could something in the gear be causing a massive histamine reaction? and woulld cutting alter that?

[daem]

BRO, I AM NOT A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL. You are asking questions about allergies and your internal body composition that is causing this.

A message board is NOT where you will get answers to this highly personalized problem of yours.

GO TO THE DOCTOR.

[tylerrrman]

Yeah dude just go to a urgent care if u dont have a doc or something... why are you waiting anyways? I went and consulted my doc about PROHORMONES. He was pissed i was even asking the questions, but screw him, it's your body.

[<Raven>]

BC thats not something that can be in my medical record. I'm not a baby and at the same time I have my limits. If I were to ever develop and abcess I'd be at the doctor immediately, if I got infected and had symptoms of hot, red irritation around injection points, I would be at the doctor, if I ever had a fever that went higher than acceptable I'd be at the doctor. BUT I'm not going to the doctor over TEST FLU. As for histomine/allergic reactions I'm not a mutant and my questions were inquiring to the general possibilities surrounding those that do. Would cutting with another oil help by lowering my BA, could I take something to ease any reactions or what not just general ideas about complications that arise. Thats exactly what this board is for. If I ever feel a personal danger I would take care of myself, but short of that I have a reason for not ever wanting this on my medical record. I was asking a for general knowledge, I didnt send anyone blood samples and ask for a diagnosis...and Daem you're one of many members with a high post count. There are other people that could have experienced something like this, my response wasnt directed at you.

[dec11]

BC thats not something that can be in my medical record. I'm not a baby and at the same time I have my limits. If I were to ever develop and abcess I'd be at the doctor immediately, if I got infected and had symptoms of hot, red irritation around injection points, I would be at the doctor, if I ever had a fever that went higher than acceptable I'd be at the doctor. BUT I'm not going to the doctor over TEST FLU. As for histomine/allergic reactions I'm not a mutant and my questions were inquiring to the general possibilities surrounding those that do. Would cutting with another oil help by lowering my BA, could I take something to ease any reactions or what not just general ideas about complications that arise. Thats exactly what this board is for. If I ever feel a personal danger I would take care of myself, but short of that I have a reason for not ever wanting this on my medical record. I was asking a for general knowledge, I didnt send anyone blood samples and ask for a diagnosis...and Daem you're one of many members with a high post count. There are other people that could have experienced something like this, my response wasnt directed at you.

you seem to know it all, why ask ?

[<Raven>]

hahahah no, I'm extremely humble, I read and attempt to learn but that doesnt mean I KNOW anything. I've just been using the search button and seen things about different reactions..thats why I figured I would ask the gurus on here for thier direct opinion about a general issue. Just want to figure this out. Bc I can come off right now, start pct and be done with it, but if I dont solve the riddle then I could piss money down the drain and end up in the same situation again the next time I cycle.

[tylerrrman]

I dunno man, maybe find an out of practice physician or something along those lines. Other than that I duno what to tell you. If it was me I would already be off that cycle. I understand you can't have this on your record, and i'm not going to make generalizations about how this is YOUR life. Again if it was me i'd get off that cycle and wait till you can find the answers you need before cycling again. Why further harm yourself? If it sucks that bad then it's probly not doing anything good for you.

[marcus300]

If your reacting in that manner I wouldnt advice you to take it anymore, your body is reacting in a negative way for a reason, dont take it anymore.

[amcon]

just advise - seems you need to start eliminating what is causing the issue... seems as if you injecting diff compounds in dif spots, thats good - if it is knotting you up either cut the dose in half or stop taking it...

if that doesnt help - and remember your playing with you life, start eliminating one compound - keeping the test as the last compound u stop using...

my un educated guess is that you have some flu issues not related to gear and either way should see a doc just to have him give you the once over tell him how you have been feeling and l personally wouldnt tell him about the gear - i wouldnt want that on my med record -

[<Raven>]

Thanks for the advice guys, I'm completely back to normal tonight. Still doesnt mean anything about the gear but my mind is clear and all flu like syptoms are completely gone. Kinda strange that I've taken 200mgs of Benadryl in the past 24 hours and everythings gone. Probably coincidence though.

I also noticed something with my eq, its been sitting since yesterdays injection and when i picked it up today and held it to the light it has settled out into two seperate oils, one on top of the other. It didnt fall out crystalized which is what I would expect if the gear fell out, but I've never noticed that before. Someone give me some input on that, with eq is that normal? If thats the problem I'll just have my source replace it.

I've ordered overnight ups wattman filters, new sterile vials, 10 ml syringes and grapeseed oil to refilter and cut all my gear. Otherwise what I think I'm going to try is to drop the eq out of tomorrows injection will be test only and I can isolate and eliminate. If tomorrow runs clean then I'll drop or replace the eq. If I get even remotely sick I'm going to come off but I'm screwed bc I'm gonna have a gap in my test dropoff. If its not the eq and I do have to come off being that I had a 400mg inject of deca last night how do I come off test and start PCT?

[amcon]

hit search and type in pct... it will tell you ever thing

i would lay off the benydril you want to know what you body is telling you ... it maybe blocking the symptoms/reactions - KEEP IT ON HAND AT ALL TIMES JUST INCASE!!!!

AS FOR THE EQ I HAVE NO IDEA SEARCH AND SEE WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID ABOUT SEPERATION... (oops im yelling lol)

i would still go to a doc and get some blood test done just to see where you are... or get some sorta check up to see what is going on - i personally would hesitate on telling doc about the test... you could always tell him that is the safest way to figure that out... just my op

[<Raven>]

I know how to typically run PCT and already have it on hand, thats not what I meant. I meant bc I'm running deca and just had an injection last night. If I drop everything now the deca will still be active long after the sust. I was scheduled to run test 2 weeks longer than the deca bc of how long acting and suppresive it is. So that would totally alter my planned PCT being that this would be an emergency end to my cycle.

[<Raven>]

good lookin out amcon, youre right about the benedryl...it is critical that I can listen to my body right now, I didnt think about that until you said it. Gonna push this test only injection out till after work so if it does go negatively at all I'll be at home and it wont effect my day. Trained this morning and felt extremely strong, no chills, sweating was back in a normal range for any test cycle and I didnt crash afterwards.

[<Raven>]

just advise - seems you need to start eliminating what is causing the issue... seems as if you injecting diff compounds in dif spots, thats good - if it is knotting you up either cut the dose in half or stop taking it...

if that doesnt help - and remember your playing with you life, start eliminating one compound - keeping the test as the last compound u stop using...

my un educated guess is that you have some flu issues not related to gear and either way should see a doc just to have him give you the once over tell him how you have been feeling and l personally wouldnt tell him about the gear - i wouldnt want that on my med record -

Amcon I appreciate the advice, I isolated the problem. Took my test alone and it was fine. Never felt better and no knotting. I've been taking the Deca alone the entire cycle and it never brought on any of the symptoms directly so it seems that my eq is bad. So I guess I got the test flu as always and was injecting bad eq at the same time, guess my body went crazy with both. Either I'm alergic to something in the eq, it fell out, or was dirty to begin with. Thanks all for the advice and Amcon good looking out, you saved my cycle.