2nd, 3rd, 4th cycle?

[the big 1]

So you've done your first cycle of just test and had a good pct, you keep most of the gains and give the gear a rest for a few months then decide to get back on.

What would be a good 2nd cycle for bulking ( with pct ) ?

What would you do for the 3rd and 4th ?

When would peptides and hgh come in ?

The reason i ask is, does the cycle after the one that you just finished have to contain more and more gear each time? or is it possible to do moderate amounts each time and still get good gains?

[the big 1]

Bumpy.

[tylerrrman]

It is completely fine to go with the same doses, as long as your PCT was good and you've waited like 3-6 months for homeostasis to come back. Post the cycle. If you really want to do anything different I would add a kickstarter or a good cycle ender like anavar. Maybe 40mg-60mg over the course of weeks 1-6, or the ender being weeks 8-12 on a 12 week test run. If you can get Turinabol, that would be a nice kickstarter as well. D-bol works the same + some water bloat, but if you can handle the bloat, D-bol is cheaper.

[marcus300]

So you've done your first cycle of just test and had a good pct, you keep most of the gains and give the gear a rest for a few months then decide to get back on.

What would be a good 2nd cycle for bulking ( with pct ) ?

What would you do for the 3rd and 4th ?

When would peptides and hgh come in ?

The reason i ask is, does the cycle after the one that you just finished have to contain more and more gear each time? or is it possible to do moderate amounts each time and still get good gains?

If you have experience good gains on your first cycle without any major side effects I wouldnt change much at all, I would add another compound for your second cycle say something like dbol kick or similar and progress like that, as you start going further into cycles just add and try different compounds with your base compound, log everything and once you have tried various compounds you can design one what really suits you with low sides.

[tylerrrman]

It is completely fine to go with the same doses, as long as your PCT was good and you've waited like 3-6 months for homeostasis to come back. Post the cycle. If you really want to do anything different I would add a kickstarter or a good cycle ender like anavar. Maybe 40mg-60mg over the course of weeks 1-6, or the ender being weeks 8-12 on a 12 week test run. If you can get Turinabol, that would be a nice kickstarter as well. D-bol works the same + some water bloat, but if you can handle the bloat, D-bol is cheaper.

If you do go for the 3rd and 4rth, well, wait till then to go setting up your cycle.

[slimy]

It's informational posts like that , that make Marcus the MAN!!!!

[elfin1mf]

most would say peptides and hgh are not to mix. JUST USE HGH. If you can get it you might as well just keep using it 5 on 7 off and ramping up doses very slowly.

[the big 1]

Would this be ok for a second cycle?

Tri tren at 400 mgs a week shot eod weeks 1-8.
Test cypionate 500mgs a weeks shot twice a week, weeks 1-12

I have'nt even done my first cycle yet, but the reason i ask is, i want to know on the grand sceme of things how much it would cost to live a bbs life style.

On average ( and this for heavy steroid users on the board ) how much money do you spend each year just buying gear?

[the big 1]

most would say peptides and hgh are not to mix. JUST USE HGH. If you can get it you might as well just keep using it 5 on 7 off and ramping up doses very slowly.

Where is gh injected?

[tylerrrman]

I dunno man I'd say don't go with tren. Tren's the gift and the curse LOL (just read that somewhere in this board recently). Basically unless you've done a crash course on PCT and know how tren works and have NO questions whatsoever about it, I would leave it alone. Go with D-bol. Why not? It's way cheaper, and yeah its a methyl, but with the right supps you won't be hurting at all. Plus I've read waaay too many horror stories about tren. That's just my take.

[marcus300]

Would this be ok for a second cycle?

Tri tren at 400 mgs a week shot eod weeks 1-8.
Test cypionate 500mgs a weeks shot twice a week, weeks 1-12

I have'nt even done my first cycle yet, but the reason i ask is, i want to know on the grand sceme of things how much it would cost to live a bbs life style.

On average ( and this for heavy steroid users on the board ) how much money do you spend each year just buying gear?

No its not, tren is only to be used by advanced BB's imho who have experienced many other compounds. Did you not read what I wrote?
What are your stats? I would concentrate on one cycle at a time if I were you.

[tylerrrman]

Thanks marcus lol. I know I'm new, but jeez I'm not completely special ED.

[the big 1]

No its not, tren is only to be used by advanced BB's imho who have experienced many other compounds. Did you not read what I wrote?
What are your stats? I would concentrate on one cycle at a time if I were you.

Im still learning about all the compounds, just trying to plan ahead to see how my money will stretch.

Ive just left the army and im interested in competing in bbing one day, like i said i have'nt cycled yet, i wanna know whats right for me and learn more.

21
203 lbs
13% bf
5 feet 11''
4 years experience

[marcus300]

Im still learning about all the compounds, just trying to plan ahead to see how my money will stretch.

Ive just left the army and im interested in competing in bbing one day, like i said i have'nt cycled yet, i wanna know whats right for me and learn more.

21
203 lbs
13% bf
5 feet 11''
4 years experience

I would leave it a bit longer if I were you, your still growing and you have such a high level of testosterone it would be reckless to shut it down.

[Hard.On]

I would leave it a bit longer if I were you, your still growing and you have such a high level of testosterone it would be reckless to shut it down.

Man, way too many 20-21 year olds on this site latly

[tylerrrman]

Well there ya go.. too young.

I'm 24 and still waiting another few months so I can get to like 10~12% bf. Your body composition seems to be very good, I'll give you that. Your natty peak is probly around like 215 @ 10~12%bf tho.

I'd give it a 6 mo.-a year of good clean dieting and hitting the weights hard as hell. You could easilly start juicing today and be fine, but I think in 10 years from now you would have rather waited to hit your genetic peak, then juiced right?

[the big 1]

I would leave it a bit longer if I were you, your still growing and you have such a high level of testosterone it would be reckless to shut it down.

Yeah im going to leave steroids for when i peak naturally.

I know pro bbs have freaky genetics and grow just by lifting the cereal box in the morning. But if look at cutler or coleman or branch warren when there in there teens they look massive and hard.
surely they must be juicing???
I know this doesnt condone anyone using under age but still, it makes you wonder how they ever get that size so young???

[the big 1]

Well there ya go.. too young.

I'm 24 and still waiting another few months so I can get to like 10~12% bf. Your body composition seems to be very good, I'll give you that. Your natty peak is probly around like 215 @ 10~12%bf tho.

I'd give it a 6 mo.-a year of good clean dieting and hitting the weights hard as hell. You could easilly start juicing today and be fine, but I think in 10 years from now you would have rather waited to hit your genetic peak, then juiced right?

Yeah you are right. But i can almost garantee more than half of all the steroid users on this planet are under 25, if not still teenagers. sad but true.

[marcus300]

Yeah im going to leave steroids for when i peak naturally.

I know pro bbs have freaky genetics and grow just by lifting the cereal box in the morning. But if look at cutler or coleman or branch warren when there in there teens they look massive and hard.
surely they must be juicing???
I know this doesnt condone anyone using under age but still, it makes you wonder how they ever get that size so young???

There are thousands/millions of bodybuilders around the world, do you think if it was that easy to just use gear when they were young you would become the next Mr O, think again its only the small gifted few who step on that stage no matter what age they use gear.

[the big 1]

There are thousands/millions of bodybuilders around the world, do you think if it was that easy to just use gear when they were young you would become the next Mr O, think again its only the small gifted few who step on that stage no matter what age they use gear.

I suppose you'de never know your full potential in bbing unless you used then?

[the big 1]

this is a question thats really been bugging me, where is gh injected?

[AlphaGenetics]

Im still learning about all the compounds, just trying to plan ahead to see how my money will stretch.

Ive just left the army and im interested in competing in bbing one day, like i said i have'nt cycled yet, i wanna know whats right for me and learn more.

21
203 lbs
13% bf
5 feet 11''
4 years experience

Id wait till your 30. I never needed roids at your age, I was yanked from hard workl, diet and from the natural test levels that my body generated. If you cant get big without roids at your age I doubt they will help you very much. They will only make you an old man fasttt, with a limp noodle, you will have to rely on roids all the time for the rest of your life. Dont do it.

[tylerrrman]

I have a buddy (not naming any names) who I grew up with, lifted with, played baseball and football with, and ran with (5 miles in the AM before classes). This all started in 7th grade and lasted till the end of senior year. We worked out just as hard is what I'm saying here.

Today I'm 6'2'' 240 lbs and 17.3% bf (just done today).

He is 5'11'' 225 lbs and 9%bf (brags constantly).

He is the same age as me and has run D-bol once. No test, no pct, he went the dumbass route. He was 17, uninformed, and ignorant to info that was thrown at him. He is still growing today with probly very little test surpression and is planning on going into pro bb... and is just now considering doing his first test cycle. At 300mg a week. Barely higher than a trt dose. It has ALOT to do with genetics.

[the big 1]

I hear what your saying, steroids will only make better/bigger what you already have in terms of a good physique.

[tylerrrman]

to answer the gh question i'm pretty sure it's bi-laterally, intra-muscular. not sure on if its semi weekly, weekly, eod, ed or what.

[elfin1mf]

big1, you need to use the search function and research all your questions! All of this can be answered with minimal search time!

[DurdensArmy]

^^^ you know this guys prolly gonna go try and shoot gh side ways deep into a muscle now, no flame but you might want to read more on gh before giving really young guys advice that may hurt them more. its not an IM shot.

[tylerrrman]

VERY sorry about that. It's sub-q not IM and you can shoot it in places where there is more body fat than others. Alot of people go for the abdomen.