About to start my 1st cycle ever...?'s

[PetrX]

So I finally decided to go with the gear and have chosen Test E for my first cycle... I talked to my dr and he said not to go with more than 400 mgs per week.. Im a diabetic so my diet is intact and my dr will be checking me every week just to make sure im ok , hes a good friend of the family and also offered to give me my injections at the hospital just to be safe. I have a few questions thou..
Just got out from the Army last year, working out hard for about 5 yrs now.

Im 25 yrs old, 6'2 , 212 lbs and 10.5% body fat

#1- At 400 mgs a wk, is there a high % of getting gyno at that amount??

#2- How bad is the bloat with Test E?

#3- Ive read on the forum about passing out on the 1st injection..why? lol

#4- Will Test help me have more defined abs or will it make them fade a bit do to water retention?

Thank you in advanced

[gymfu]

water bloat and other estrogen conversion sides will be a problem without fighting it with an ai like arimidex.

[shadey33]

#1 Depends on the person some may never get gyno some get it bad on any amount

#2 Again depends on the person but most will get a fair bit of bloat from Test E if your really worried you caould take an AI

#3 Ive never really heard of this im guessing just nervousness

#4 They will probly fade on cycle with water retention but as long as you do a proper pct and your diet stays in check that will change

[c-Z]

water bloat and other estrogen conversion sides will be a problem without fighting it with an ai like arimidex.

For some users yes. Other uses no. I know some guys who can run 1000mgs of test and have no estrogen related sides. Where as others run 500mgs and gyno symptoms occur.

[TITANIUM]

#1 Depends on the person some may never get gyno some get it bad on any amount

#2 Again depends on the person but most will get a fair bit of bloat from Test E if your really worried you caould take an AI

#3 Ive never really heard of this im guessing just nervousness

#4 They will probly fade on cycle with water retention but as long as you do a proper pct and your diet stays in check that will change

Excellent^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.


Best

T

[ironflames]

you can always run nolva throughout your cycle too even tho some people wouldnt fully agree with doing that but i did it my first cycle and i gained 20lbs and kept 16

[TITANIUM]

you can always run nolva throughout your cycle too even tho some people wouldnt fully agree with doing that but i did it my first cycle and i gained 20lbs and kept 16

You can do that, as I did it once that way.

Didn't hinder gains at all. 10 mgs ed

Best

T

[PetrX]

Thanks for the replied , very much appreciated. Im not really worried about the bloat, I guess I just wont do no shirtless modeling stuff for a couple of months so eh. A couple of friends of mine use to eat tons of brocolli everyday , they said it helped with estrogen conversion or something of that sort , dont remember to well exactly what they said, any truth to that? .. I guess having nolva handy on the side might be a good idea just in case.

[ironflames]

Thanks for the replied , very much appreciated. Im not really worried about the bloat, I guess I just wont do no shirtless modeling stuff for a couple of months so eh. A couple of friends of mine use to eat tons of brocolli everyday , they said it helped with estrogen conversion or something of that sort , dont remember to well exactly what they said, any truth to that? .. I guess having nolva handy on the side might be a good idea just in case.

Great Foods, Great Sex, Supplements Fight "Bad" Estrogens.

Many men and women have imbalances of estrogen and testosterone and of specific estrogens in both blood and fatty tissues. Too much of specific estrogens in your blood and tissue cause fat gains, slow loss of muscle and the reduction of both sexual performance and drive.

Some women may have too much of the wrong kind of estrogen because of artificial synthetic hormone replacement and after being on a high fat, low protein diet. Men of all ages under great physical and emotional/mental stress, and specifically older men, suffer from decreasing testosterone and high relative estrogen. High estrogen can actually decrease the benefits of testosterone.

Alcohol always makes matters worse by inhibiting your ability to clear estrogen from the blood stream, by acting as a central system depressant and also by decreasing zinc. And food? Well, even grapefruit can inhibit your liver's ability to breakdown estrogen. Broccoli and cauliflower may mitigate some effects of some estrogens. Soy products may help your liver metabolize/excrete excess estrogen.

Isoflavones found in soy (like genistein and diadzein) block some receptor sites where estrogen binds to cells. The effect is to prevent estrogen from accumulating in your body. Red grape skin extract (resveratrol) improves the liver P450 system and effectively removes excess estrogen. Vegetables rich in vitamin C like bell peppers and fruit reduce aromatase reductase, the major enzyme responsible for converting androstenedione and testosterone into estrogen.

Di-Indolin is a substance believed to be an active cruciferous substance (broccoli, cauliflower, kale) for promoting beneficial estrogen metabolism. Di-Indolin helps increase, by 75%, the "good" 2 hydroxy estrogens, which have an affinity to bind blood proteins (SHBG). The effect of this is to leave greater levels of free testosterone.

Diindolylmethane also dramatically decreases the "bad" estrogen 16-hydroxyestrone by 50%. This product is for athletes and bodybuilders or men taking testosterone who are interested in the best possible control of estrogen to obtain the maximally lean, hard strong body.

There are indications that chrysin, also called Flavone X, a supplement from the herb passion flower (passiflora coerulea L) derived from vegetables rich in bioflavonoid and quercetin (a very strong anti-oxidant), helps absorb enzymes that catalyze increased estrogen production. Of all the tested theoretical flavone anti-estrogens, chrysin measures as the most favorable.

The mineral zinc inhibits the aromatase enzyme that converts testosterone into excess estrogen. Some men, who are not meat eaters and have reduced sexual drive, may actually restore normal levels of testosterone with zinc gluconate, taken at 50 mg. BID.

Each mineral has a specific effect and works in balance. Manganese gluconate should be taken with zinc (tropical fruits like mangos and pineapples). Zinc is a bit of a wild card. Just recently again, zinc has been shown to mitigate the development of colds if taken at first onset. On the other hand, too much zinc can lower your HDL levels of cholesterol. That is not desirable. This is why blood, urine and/or saliva testing should always be recommended by your attending physician.

Fat cells are loaded with aromatase, storing large quantities of estrogen. The higher your percentage of body fat, the more estrogen you can produce and the fatter you will be unless you control your diet and use supplements and exercise to lower estrogen production. As you reduce stored body fat, your estrogen conversion will be reduced and symptoms of male menopause and female disorders associated with high estrogen will be greatly retarded.

It will actually become easier for you to lose weight with proper hormone balance, correct eating, supplementation and exercise. Fish is high in L-Dopa and helps release dopamine and enhance testosterone levels. And certain forms of fatty fish are high in the favorable omega fish for good heart health. You should eat only small amounts of fatty fish though, as even fish can have undesirable effects on your cholesterol and coronary circulation.

Some studies have suggested that the pro-hormone, androstenedione, can boost transient levels of testosterone. Such increased levels might lead to slight increases in strength, muscular size and endurance over time (assuming one trains while experiencing the elevated T-levels). However, while a few studies have shown that an oral ingestion of 300 mg. of androstenedione can raise testosterone levels, much more than DHEA, other studies strongly suggest that androstenedione conversion can catalyze reversibly and increase estrogen compounds instead.

If you use androstenedione, it should only be taken 30 minutes before training or sex and not more than 2-3 times a week. Likewise, if you are someone of such variability who develops high testosterone production from andro excess, this might also lead to estrogen rebound and the formation of fatty tissue in the male breast. This is, of course, a major problem with users of more potent anabolic steroids as well.

I also believe that androstenediol is the more potent form of prohormone as compared to androstenedione. When combined they can be effective if used two or three times a week.

[PetrX]

So I went to another dr who is more familiar with steriods, and said that since I am a diabetic, testosterone would help lower my sugar and require less insulin than what im using right now so he wrote me some prescriptions since he said I would get it one way or another so might as well get me the real thing =) I have 5000 mgs so I will go with 500 mgs/week for 10 weeks.. One last question, is there any side effects like dizzyness or anxiety , stuff like that from test e?

[Hard.On]

I blacked out my first inj. lol
only for 10 sec.
I think it was because I was just so nervous.

[PetrX]

I blacked out my first inj. lol
only for 10 sec.
I think it was because I was just so nervous.

Yea I get nervous just looking at the dam needle haha never have got over it even thou i inject myself everyday with insulin and injected people in the army everyday .. strange I know

[bjohnson1968]

So I went to another dr who is more familiar with steriods, and said that since I am a diabetic, testosterone would help lower my sugar and require less insulin than what im using right now so he wrote me some prescriptions since he said I would get it one way or another so might as well get me the real thing =) I have 5000 mgs so I will go with 500 mgs/week for 10 weeks.. One last question, is there any side effects like dizzyness or anxiety , stuff like that from test e?

^^^I need a Doctor like this!!!!!

[PetrX]

^^^I need a Doctor like this!!!!!

Like he said, I was going to go out and get it one way or another ( as I told him) So he said might as well hook me up with legit gear rather than have me go out and maybe get some fake gear.. Plus he also specializes in sports medicine and stuff.. Family Dr told me to go talk to him that way I can have a safe and efficient cycle. God bless them! haha

[shadey33]

So I went to another dr who is more familiar with steriods, and said that since I am a diabetic, testosterone would help lower my sugar and require less insulin than what im using right now so he wrote me some prescriptions since he said I would get it one way or another so might as well get me the real thing =) I have 5000 mgs so I will go with 500 mgs/week for 10 weeks.. One last question, is there any side effects like dizzyness or anxiety , stuff like that from test e?

Ive heard of people with low testosterone getting light headed or dizzy but ive never experienced it on cycle

[EatingMyWheaties]

some people pass out on first injections because they hold there breath while focusing on inserting the needle and injecting the fluids and the lack of oxygen flowing to your brain can make you feel a bit lightheaded. I am in the medical field and have seen this firsthand. Just be calm, go slow, and stand in front of a mirror so you can see what your doing the first few times. After 3 or 4 times its easy and it more annoying to fill up the syringe then it is to do the shot itself.

[PetrX]

some people pass out on first injections because they hold there breath while focusing on inserting the needle and injecting the fluids and the lack of oxygen flowing to your brain can make you feel a bit lightheaded. I am in the medical field and have seen this firsthand. Just be calm, go slow, and stand in front of a mirror so you can see what your doing the first few times. After 3 or 4 times its easy and it more annoying to fill up the syringe then it is to do the shot itself.

I have tons of insulin needles ( since I have to use them everyday) .. A friend at the gym whos a paramedic said that I could use one to inject on the delts since I dont really have any fat.. any truth to that?