Putting Together My First Cycle--Need Mentors!! ;-)

**noviceuser2** · 03-03-2010, 12:57 AM

I am 22.. I know, I know--still too young to start a cycle. (I'll be 23 in a week.)

Anyways, my stats are as follows--if you need more let me know.
5'9
165 Pounds
BF% Around 9
Eat a good,high protein diet and supplement Aminos,Proteins,Carbs,V&Ms
Training 5-6 days a week--never doing the same exact workout

I graduated High School at 117-ish pounds and got a degree at about 125 pounds. So--I've been training a lot and have a lot of muscle mass for being just 165 pounds. I'm also very lean.

OK--I need advice for my first cycle. I wanted to start out with just test. (bad idea?) and I got a hold of some Sus 400. Should I take two a week, as its 400 instead of 250? I'm wanting to gain weight, but just kind of easing into it, if that makes any sense.

Is sus 400 any good? I know what it is--as far as being four types of test--I have looked on the site and can't find a profile of it, and haven't read anything about it in the forums (I searched for it)

Is this okay to start out with? Am I wasting money just taking it without something to stack? Or can I expect some kind of gains with just the sus?

Thanks for any advice--I hope someone can steer me in the right direction!

**Bench_boss** · 03-03-2010, 12:58 AM

whats your diet in detail...

**Sehr** · 03-03-2010, 01:32 AM

Would you mind sharing your 1RM lifts with us
(squat, bench, deadlift, shoulder press, bicep curl) etc

Thanks

**amcon** · 03-03-2010, 01:41 AM

hit search and type in first cycle read up and get back to us asap on what you find and specific questions on you next steps...

define you goal better - gain weight is too general

**tylerrrman** · 03-03-2010, 01:53 AM

You did alot of good work and i can admire that. I'll help ya a little.

If you want, run the sus 2x a week, as it will probly give you a nice size knot if you do that in one pin.

You do need to focus on one specific goal, as strength and size can't go hand in hand. You either do intense strength training or intense size build. Sounds like you have the diet handled, make sure you're doing the cardio and that sus will do just fine on it's own.

No stacking required

**wukillabee** · 03-03-2010, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by tylerrrman

You did alot of good work and i can admire that. I'll help ya a little.

If you want, run the sus 2x a week, as it will probly give you a nice size knot if you do that in one pin.

You do need to focus on one specific goal, as strength and size can't go hand in hand. You either do intense strength training or intense size build. Sounds like you have the diet handled, make sure you're doing the cardio and that sus will do just fine on it's own.

No stacking required

Strength and size don't go hand in hand, wtf? Is that why powerlifters are so skinny? Hahahaha!

**Hard.On** · 03-03-2010, 08:31 AM

Hey man,
You asked for Mentors,
Dont take advice from Noobs,
(I am not a mentor either)

Wait for someone who is not just regurgitating sh!t that they have read over the past few days

**noviceuser2** · 03-03-2010, 11:48 AM

I honestly don't know my 1RMs on anything. Never been interested in powerlifting so it never ocurred to me to try. All I can give you is my 4RM and 8RM because thats what range I've worked in (8-12 reps--also do low reps on last sets like 4 or so reps until failure)

The most I've ever benched was 275 4x without assistance. Also 225 8x without assistance. Why would you ask for shoulder press max? Read up on shoulder press--if you take steroids and are trying to max on shoulder press, you are putting your rotator cuff at risk--IDK how you haven't torn it if you max out often with shoulder presses. I still do them--but they can't be a staple in your shoulder workout because its too much stress on the rotator.

Biceps curls? ehh.. I use 35s on the EZ bar to do preacher curls in the 8-12 rep range. I also curl 50 pound dumbells in the 6-8 rep range before I break form.

OK--I'll be more specific on my goals. I am lean and muscular, but I am finding it hard to gain any weight. I want to put on some solid muscle and HOPEFULLY keep it. Lifting more does not matter to me as much as trying to gain some muscle mass.

I do not do a lot of cardio--because I seem to just burn off muscle--I do it maybe twice a week just to stay in shape.

As I said, I did look up much on 'first cycles' and all anyone talks about there is: make sure you're old enough. Make sure your diet is in check. Make sure you know how to lift. Make sure you aren't getting crappy product. I didn't ask about any of that. I asked if anyone knew about sus400 and if it was a good steroid to start with for my first cycle.

**daem** · 03-03-2010, 11:57 AM

5'9 and 165, you are quite a small guy to be thinking about juicing...I can't believe for a second that you have maxed out your potential and that your diet is up to snuff.

Post out your diet here first or on the diet forum and let's examine that first before talking gear.

**tylerrrman** · 03-03-2010, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by wukillabee

Strength and size don't go hand in hand, wtf? Is that why powerlifters are so skinny? Hahahaha!

I never said you don't gain size from training for strength, I meant you can't just train for strength and expect to gain massive size. But thanks for that.

**FranciscoG** · 03-03-2010, 02:22 PM

I just want to comment on the sust 400. It is some under ground crap. Do not buy it. I have a friend that insisted on 400mg test and the last 6 months he has had crappy gains.

Stick to 300mg/ml vials. You are injecting so the amount of oil in the solutions helps keep the depots more stable, more stable blood levels the better.

**Mooseman33** · 03-03-2010, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by tylerrrman

I never said you don't gain size from training for strength, I meant you can't just train for strength and expect to gain massive size. But thanks for that.

strength traing will add the most size.

please explain how to gain massive size without lifting heavy?

**tylerrrman** · 03-03-2010, 03:47 PM

Nevermind. I meant keeping one goal in mind is the best approach. Just forget I even said it and move on. jesus.

**noviceuser2** · 03-04-2010, 08:05 AM

What weight do you consider big enough? I have a roommate that weighs about 185 pounds and is the same height. Is that big enough? Point is--I've told you that I was between 115 and 125 for the first few years of my adult life (18-21) and that I have gained about 45 pounds of muscle in the last couple years.

If I said I was 185 pounds and had twice the body fat you wouldn't say anything about my size. I am 165 and have very very low body fat. You have to take into account for a person's natural build and size. I have more muscle for my particular frame than a lot of guys bigger than me. Does that make sense to you??

On another note--I'll just take my chances with the test--because while SOME of you have offered some good advice (thank you) most of you are either fighting with one another or just have no clue what you are talking about. I know more than half of you that posted up there, and no one has yet to answer any of my questions.

The closest answer I got to what I was looking for was from PharmDoc--and I'm not sure he's an expert--the sus I got is legit and came from an actual pharmaceutical company in Europe...so it's not 'underground crap'...Thanks anyways guys. I'll just do what I'm going to do and learn from my own mistakes. No one has given me hardly any guidence in this thread.

Thanks to those of you that did take this seriously... The advice is much appreciated.

**FranciscoG** · 03-04-2010, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by noviceuser2

The closest answer I got to what I was looking for was from PharmDoc--and I'm not sure he's an expert--the sus I got is legit and came from an actual pharmaceutical company in Europe...so it's not 'underground crap'...Thanks anyways guys. I'll just do what I'm going to do and learn from my own mistakes. No one has given me hardly any guidence in this thread.

Thanks to those of you that did take this seriously... The advice is much appreciated.

If it is the company is east europe that popped up in the last few years I still say get something with lower dosage. I would highly suggest you get 100mg/ml Test Prop and mix it with it.

The names of UG are not allowed on this board, But once you have 25 posts you can PM me and I will check it out for you.

What other concerns do you have that have not been answered so far?

I just looked in the book for the versions of sus, I do not see one that is human grade that is over 250mg/ml.

**cobra305** · 03-04-2010, 11:57 AM

If you have had good gains of 45 lbs as you say why would you wanna use gear now? Sounds as if your body is doing fine on its own. The beginner threads also detail good beginner cycles. Hope you have a PCT on hand.

**E Police 183** · 03-04-2010, 12:02 PM

When they say you are too small they mean that you have the ability to put more mass on your fame without using gear. If you can still add naturally why would you want to turn to gear? When people use gear properly its when they hit a plateau and at your size your not at a plateau, if you eat and train properly you can put more on your frame. That is what it meant when they say your too small. They should have added too Hardheaded as well but that goes hand in hand with your age. Btw "i'm 22 yr old, i know i'm too young" well you don't know your too young because if you did then you wouldnt be touching the stuff then.

**Mooseman33** · 03-04-2010, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by noviceuser2

What weight do you consider big enough? I have a roommate that weighs about 185 pounds and is the same height. Is that big enough? Point is--I've told you that I was between 115 and 125 for the first few years of my adult life (18-21) and that I have gained about 45 pounds of muscle in the last couple years.

If I said I was 185 pounds and had twice the body fat you wouldn't say anything about my size. I am 165 and have very very low body fat. You have to take into account for a person's natural build and size. I have more muscle for my particular frame than a lot of guys bigger than me. Does that make sense to you??

On another note--I'll just take my chances with the test--because while SOME of you have offered some good advice (thank you) most of you are either fighting with one another or just have no clue what you are talking about. I know more than half of you that posted up there, and no one has yet to answer any of my questions.

The closest answer I got to what I was looking for was from PharmDoc--and I'm not sure he's an expert--the sus I got is legit and came from an actual pharmaceutical company in Europe...so it's not 'underground crap'...Thanks anyways guys. I'll just do what I'm going to do and learn from my own mistakes. No one has given me hardly any guidence in this thread.

Thanks to those of you that did take this seriously... The advice is much appreciated.

Just pure stupidity kid.
learn from our mistakes, as the mistakes u may make will never go away.
we are talking about changing our hormones, altering our chemicals....you do not want to lear as u go....
as far as guidance, you recieved plenty, you just dont want to hear it...
kids like you are what gives AAS a bad name...

**tylerrrman** · 03-04-2010, 05:16 PM

Didn't mean to threadjack, sorry bro (and moose) but just like moose is trying to explain, this forum is here so you can learn from others' mistakes and AVOID them.