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Hi,
Can you please advise whcih staff would be the best to strenghten these and to increase bone density.
I am a boxer, had been using winny and tren but to hit harder need to get "heavier" hands and strong bones not to crack when punching.
Thank you!
Mario
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Nandrolone increases bone density, and also causes connective tissues to retain water (making them more supple and durable).
There are other non-steroid drugs such a Human Growth Hormone and Insulin Growth Factor 1 which might he worth looking into, but I've never researched them or used them so I wouldn't be able to advise you.
New Member
Thanks for replying.
What should I combine it with? What cylce would you recomend? I would like to have as less as possible water retention problem.
Stats:
Age: 32
Height: 182 cm
Weight: 100 kgs
Sorry for European numbers..
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First thing you need to know is that Nandrolone is extremely suppressive to your own natural Testosterone production. The more Nandrolone you take, the less Testosterone you produce. The less Testosterone you produce, the more likely you are to experience adverse symptoms such as fatigue, depression, erectile dysfunction.
That's why everyone takes Testosterone with Nandrolone. Also, when your balls aren't producing Testosterone, they begin to wither and die, and they shrink in size considerably. For most people, if they just do a 12-week cycle, their balls will recover just fine. However I'd recommend the use of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) to keep your balls alive while you're on-cycle.
Nandrolone comes most commonly as the medicinal product "Deca-Durabolin", which is an oily injectable solution. Typically it's 250mg of Nandrolone Decanoate per 1ml of solution.
The most basic cycle consisting of Nandrolone would be something like:
Nandrolone : Week 1-10 : 250mg every third day
Testosterone : Week 1-12 : 250mg every third day
To minimise water retention, take either Anastrozole (commonly known by the tradename Arimidex) or Exemestane (commonly known by the tradename Aromasin).
One other thing: Nandrolone causes an increase in Prolactin in your blood stream. The more Nandrolone you take, the more your Prolactin increases. If your Prolactin goes above a certain level, you get temporary erectile dysfunction that goes away if you reduce the dosage of Nandrolone. If you want to keep your Nandrolone dosage high while at the same time not suffering erectile dysfunction, then there are drugs available to suppress the production of Prolactin (such as Cabergoline, known by the tradenames Dostinex or Cabaser).
As you can see, this stuff isn't exactly straight forward, it takes a little research.
The most important thing of all however is nutrition, i.e. what you eat. You need the right amount of Protein, Carbohydrates and Fats. If you want to learn how to eat properly, check out these videos:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516
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Thank you very much for these info, I really appreciate it.
If possible I would be gratefull to tell me few sentences about HGH as I ve heard it woul be best solution to get stronger and "heavier" hands which is important to get heavy punch in boxing.
The only thing is that I am a bit afraid of using it not also to mention the costs...
Thank you in advance!
Mario
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Sorry man you'll have to wait for someone else to clue you in about HGH, I know nothing about it.
I used to fight in Thai Boxing, and back then "heavy hands" simply meant that someone had a hard punch.
How hard you punch comes down to three things:
1) The accelerative power of your muscles, i.e. how quickly you can move your hand from point A to point B.
2) How much weight there is behind the punch at the point of impact
3) How tense you are when it comes to following through (e.g. will you shoulder bounce back when you hit him, or will it stay in place or maybe even keep moving forward).
'everything louder than everything else'
nandrolone would bloat you and imo not good for a boxer, beware who you take advice from on here, some havent a clue themselves
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Sorry, I don't really understand; can you be more specific why it wouldn t be good to take nandrolone?
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I believe every AAS increases bone density. Go with test, as I'm 100% certain that it increases bone density. You could also add some EQ and/or GH for tendon and ligament strength.
I'm pretty sure that "heavy hands" is more about having naturally good punch strength and thick wrist joints (i.e. being a mesomorph) than anything that you can manipulate with gear.
Last edited by Bonaparte; 03-05-2010 at 12:42 PM.
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Bonaparte (and others),
this is basicly my question - how to increase wrist joints thickness and get it stronger? Are there any steroids which could help me with that?
Senior Member
HGH is great at strengthening connective tissue. I would say more tendon and ligament IDK about bone density though.
One thing I will bring to your attention with gh is one side is carpal tunnel syndrome and painful swollen hands. I believe it's from all the water retention it causes in the joints it will help greatly increase recovering from workouts but you will have to be cautious with the doses as I would think that it would not be too good if a boxer couldn't make a fist LOL.
As for Nandrolone it would help a little as well IMO but if you are tested at all throw that idea out the window detection time is ridiculous as for bloating I dont think it will be much of an issue for a boxer who is doing all those cardio/ speed strength drill etc.
Bossman - AR Monitor
Deca would be good for healing/strengthening of connective tissue. But, it should be taken with test. I know nothing about boxing and like gymnerd said, if you get tested, it would not be a good thing to have in your system.
When taking GH, one of the first sides I experience is numbing of the hands. Even more so if you are gripping. When riding my bike I have to shake them every few minutes because they go numb. Seems like a big downside if you're a boxer.
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Thanks again to everbody for your advises and comments.
Let me just say that for me stregnthen my wrist is so important that would also stop boxing for a while (as long as needed) just to get this part "in shape".
As already mentioned, I have heard Nandrolone is good but HGH that is the best. Since a bit afraid of using HGH I would prefer to go on Nandrolone cycle but if you think that there is a huge difference in what could be achieved with HGH comparing to Nandrolone, then I would gather my courage and go on HGH cycle...
What do you think?
Ciao!
Mario
P.S. How can I attach my picture from "my documents"?
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Also, in our "league" there are no tests so this is not a problem...
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That particular side begins like 3 days into my GH cycles, and lasts for 2 - 3 months. (due to ramping up dosage.)Originally Posted by cgb6810
I can't stand it.
Waking up in the morning and not being able to feel your whole right arm is not cool. lol.
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Read this:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=401860
Nandrolone could be a good option for you. If you're concerned about water retention then just do something like this:
Test-E (weeks 1 - 12) @ 200mg/wk
NPP (weeks 1 - 11) @ (whatever dosage you choose.)
BTW, anavar is a fairly good compound for strengthening tendons as well, if I'm not mistaken.
-VM
Senior Member
Well, you could do that but HGH is much safer than Nandrolone IMO. So if thats your only concern.
New Member
The reason I am asking you this is because in my boxing-fitness career I ve been only using winny and tren. It did quite a good job, I have gained "clean" muscles and speed but I had the feeling sometimes like my bones, ligaments and other are getting softer... I was quite strong, but was a bit frustrated at same time since my wrists couldn t follow the rest parts of the body.
That is why I would like to change it know and am asking for advice. I would prefer to go to Nandrolone but if you say that HGH could be better for my problems then would probably go with this...
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tren and winny are horrible on joints and ligaments
New Member
Sorry, but can you tell me what IMO means?
Since I ve succeeded in attaching picture you can see quite strong body with a immature end parts (forearm - wrists/fingers)
Bossman - AR Monitor
Yeah, she looks pretty good, IMO.
IMO means in my opinion.
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Here is my take on this joint thickness issue. You aren't going to be able to substantially increase wrist thickness/joint strength. This is determined by genetics. Some guys (mesomorphs) are built to carry more weight (and hit harder) than others. Instead of trying to get bigger and build up your joints, just stick to a lower weight class where you don't need so much knock-out power. No amount of gear can really overcome genetics. You either have heavy hands or you don't.
'everything louder than everything else'
anymore pics of the g'friend?!
joke! but on a serious note, theres nothing to strengthen/enlarge your wrist. cant see why u wud think u wud need to strengthen it? im sure your capable of a knockout as you are?
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hehe, I know you would rather help my girlfriend (who is already a wife and a mother of a beutifull girl) but sorry, she is too faar away (Serbia) and taken
Regarding my plan I would go like this (having in mind this picture is two years old and it has worsened a bit in this period)
Deca Durabolin - 10 mg
Testoterone Enanthate - 10 mg
Proviron 25mg - 100 tabs
Nolvadex 10mg - 100 tabs
I would practise like this:
1. day: boxing (30 min on boxing bag), bench workout, biceps workout
2. day: running, boxing in ring
3. day: boxing (30 min on boxing bag), back workout and shoulders
4. day: running, boxing in ring
What do you think?
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The stability or thickness of you wrist will have no effect on how hard you punch. None at all.
Back when I did Thaiboxing, out of the hundreds of guys I trained with, I can only think of one fighter who actually trained without hand wraps. Everyone thought he was insane; he always just said that he didn't need them, and I never saw him with an injured hand.
It's rare to find a guy that doesn't need hand wraps. Most people, if they go through a full session of Thaiboxing training without hand wraps, will injure their wrist.
Out of all the times I injured my hands or wrists, it was because I wasn't wearing wraps. There were times when I was asked to demonstrate something to beginners on the punch bag, and I'd have to say "I haven't got my wraps on yet, get someone else".
Having thick wrists and hands would be great if you plan on punching people in the face every day without wearing hand wraps, but it won't be very beneficial in a sport that not only allows you to wear hand wraps, but actually makes you wear hand wraps.
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If I may refer to your last paragraph; since I am working also as a bouncer (security guy in disco club) I need strong wrists if punching is needed while not having wraps.
So this is also the (main) reason of my writting - how to get strong wrists with not getting them broken if puched without wraps in a street fight...? My forearm (also fingers) is basicly not following the rest of body parts and it is very important for me to get it "heavier" and stronger. We had some "troubles" 6 months ago when I was forced to intervene and after my hand needed almost 2 months to recover... Do I need to box in the bag without wraps, should I just go working out without boxing practise, what steroids to take,...?
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OK so basically you want durable hands? The kind of hands you can bounce off a brick wall without hurting them.
In general, if you want to make a bodypart more durable... surround it with muscle! This is what physiotherapists say all the time. If you go to them with a dodgy knee, guess what they say.... "You need to strengthen the muscles around your knee".
Of course your hand can make a fist and it's used for fighting, but in all honesty the fist isn't very durable at all, especially if you're a hard hitter.
If I was working a job where I thought it was quite likely I'd have to punch people in the head regularly.... well... I'd wear hand wraps! Human skulls are pretty god damn hard, and you'll only get away with hitting them for so long.
Making your hands more durable would be great for bare-knuckle boxing, or just for fighting in your local park or whatever, but it will have no effect in the ring.
I strengthen my forearms, wrists, and hands by doing "wrist curls" in the gym. They're stronger and more durable now but I haven't seen any difference in the size of my hands or wrists.
Search the internet, YouTube, whatever, There's guys out there who are obsessed with making their hands strong. A muscular hand and wrist will definitely be able to take more abuse.
By the way, I know how gay it is to have a hand injury. I missed a Thaiboxing fight one time all because I decided to spar one day without hand wraps. I hit the guys head a bit weird and strained one of my fingers. Couldn't punch properly for about two months.
Last edited by KimboHalfSlice; 03-07-2010 at 08:19 AM.
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First off, just want to clear something up...
Your wife is sexy
Good work bro! haha
Second, this cycles pretty wild man.. lol.
I'm assuming you mean 10mL of deca / Test-E not 10mg? hahaha
We gotta work on cleaning it up. (IE)
Test-E (weeks 1 - 12) @ 500mg/wk
Deca (weeks 1 - 10) @ 250mg/wk
-VM
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Thanks for the compliments regarding my wife first
I meant 10 ml not 10mg thanks for reminding me.
So, can you please tell me:
1. Should I go for that practise plan with above mentioned cycle (nandrolone)?
2. Should I go rather with HGH (as I heard it also increases hands and strenghthen them,...)?
Thank you all once again for advices...
Mario Belgrade
'everything louder than everything else'
i also bounce, your forehead and elbows are alot harder than your fist, if you get me lol
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Just learn how to headlock/subdue people without hand strikes.
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In boxing?? lol
'everything louder than everything else'
not always viable when you've a split second to react/pre-empt
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My god posting pics like that in the AAS section is going to go down very well, I for one will come over to your Country and train you free of charge until you forearms like my legs.
Of course free lessons for the wife aswell
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No. The last dozen posts were about working as a bouncer, where you don't have wraps.
IMO, a good bouncer shouldn't have to punch anyone in the face (or at least make it a last resort). The only time I've seen bouncers throwing punches was when they were completely out of control and going for blood on my best friend. Normally they just come up behind the guy in question, grab him in a sleeper hold, and throw him out the door. This isn't Roadhouse with the late Patrick Swayze. There shouldn't be a need for round-house kicks and sucker-punches.
'everything louder than everything else'
tbh unless you've done the job you cant really comment on how it should be done, you cant talk outa some situations, what would you do with three screaming lunatics getting in your face?you drop one and 99% of the time the rest do the chicken dance and no worthy bouncer sucker punches, thts how you lose face as a coward.
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That may be so, but I also know that cops are trained to do anything but throw punches to the face. They obviously aren't receiving inferior training. It involves elbow strikes, sweep/swift kicks, and straight punches to the gut. All moves that aren't likely to injure the person performing them. Hell, hit them in the throat for all I care. I never said anything about talking, just avoiding punches to the face (a large, hard, bony area) if you have small, fragile hands and wrists.
'everything louder than everything else'
yeah but the guy is a boxer and im sure he can land a fist on a jaw line, which isnt gona injure his wrist
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Try a supp. called Bio-Sil.This worked for me when when I wasnt't running deca.It comes in oil drops and pill form.
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Hey how u going??? I see your after gear for boxing... My mate used winny and he has had bad probs with his elbow ever since it would be the worst choice u could make for boxing... A good alternative would be masteron I used with eq and low test and I thought it was great lots energy stamina... I wanted to try tren but was told that it would effect my cardio bad so I gave it a miss what did u think of it????? My next course is going to be 8weeks prop 7npp and 7 masteron I was told this would be a good boxing cycle...
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