First Cycle - Cyp/Eq?

[JasonT]

A little background about myself:

Age: 28
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 185lbs.
BF: ~10%

I've been lifting for 11 years, consistently for about 8 of those years. I'm an ectomorph and if I don't count my calories I will certainly under eat.


I've done a fair amount of research and feel that I'm ready to take things to the next level. I was initially planning on doing the typical test/dbol beginner cycle, but I've decided against the dbol because I don't want to gain weight too quickly and want to minimize bloat. Also, I want to avoid orals for this cycle if possible.


I was leaning towards eq for some of its qualities (appetite, strength, possible joint support, hardened look).


Thoughts/suggestions?

[TITANIUM]

I am not a big EQ fan.

I would run a simple test cycle for 12 weeks.

Plain test E is fine.

Do you have all your pct schedule in check?

Best

T

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

^^^^^^dido

test only cyp or enth is fine.

Whats pct look like

"dirty d"

[JasonT]

Cycle would look like this:

Weeks 1-12: Test C or E @ 500mg/week (pinning mon/thur), .25mgs Adex/day
Week: 13: off
Week 14: Clomid 200 mgs/day, Adex .25mgs EOD
Week 15: Clomid 100 mgs/day, Adex .25mgs EOD
Week 16: Clomid 50 mgs/day, Adex .25mgs EOD
Week 17: Clomid 50 mgs/day
Week 18: off

[JasonT]

I am not a big EQ fan.

Don't know too much about it other than the profiles i've read...why not a fan?


Would something like deca be better?

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

No just test e or c at 500mg's a week. Plain and simple and you'll be good.

Pct- 100/50/50/50, no need for 200mg dose.

May want to run nolva with it at 40/20/20/20

good luck,

"dirty d"

[JasonT]

No just test e or c at 500mg's a week. Plain and simple and you'll be good.

Pct- 100/50/50/50, no need for 200mg dose.

May want to run nolva with it at 40/20/20/20

good luck,

"dirty d"

thanks d...does the adex dosage look good? Would I be ok starting pct after taking one week off (want to start it as soon as possible)?

[MotoLifter]

i ran eq once at 800mg/wk for 14 weeks and wasnt real impressed with its effects. got kinda vascular but didnt have the appetite increase at all.


Moto

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

Yes. Pct is 14 days after your last pin

"dirty d"

[TITANIUM]

Don't know too much about it other than the profiles i've read...why not a fan?


Would something like deca be better?

Winny is a better cutting steroid.

Deca is a 19, wich is more used for bulking.

Very suppresive to the HPTA.

Best

T

[JasonT]

^^^ thanks everyone


I also had a question about igf. I've read somewhere where it was recommended to run it 60/40/40 during pct. Would this be beneficial?

Also, would I need hcg on a test only cycle?

[TITANIUM]

No just test e or c at 500mg's a week. Plain and simple and you'll be good.

Pct- 100/50/50/50, no need for 200mg dose.

May want to run nolva with it at 40/20/20/20

good luck,

"dirty d"

YUP.^^^^^^^^

Best

T

[tboney]

No just test e or c at 500mg's a week. Plain and simple and you'll be good.

Pct- 100/50/50/50, no need for 200mg dose.

May want to run nolva with it at 40/20/20/20

good luck,

"dirty d"

I agree.... clomid dosages like that are not needed!

[TITANIUM]

^^^ thanks everyone


I also had a question about igf. I've read somewhere where it was recommended to run it 60/40/40 during pct. Would this be beneficial?

Also, would I need hcg on a test only cycle?

HCG @ 250iu's X 2 week during cycle.

IGF, not needed first go around, IMHO.

Best

T

[JasonT]

Revised cycle:

Weeks 1-12: Test C or E @ 500mg/week (pinning mon/thur), .25mgs Adex/day, 500ius HCG (250 twice a week)
Week: 13: off
Week 14: Clomid 100 mgs/day, Nolva 40 mgs/day, Adex .25mgs EOD
Week 15: Clomid 50 mgs/day, Nolva 20 mgs/day, Adex .25mgs EOD
Week 16: Clomid 50 mgs/day, Nolva 20 mgs/day, Adex .25mgs EOD
Week 17: Clomid 50 mgs/day, Nolva 20 mgs/day
Week 18: off

[tboney]

You do not need adex during pct. Only during cycle if needed orduring the time you are using hcg.

You need to start pct 14 days after last injection of test.

So week 13 and week 14 are off weeks. Ester clears your system.
Weeks 15, 16, 17, 18 are pct with nolva and clomid.

[JasonT]

^^^ sounds good





If I want to kick start the cycle with prop, how should I use the prop (how much/how long)?

[tboney]

If I were you I would just stick with the test cyp or test e. I think you will be happy!

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

First 4 weeks at 100 mg's every other day.

"dirty d"

BUT I AGREE WITH TBONEY- YOU WILL YIELD FINE WITHOUT PROP FOR YOUR FIRST TIME BRO

[JasonT]

If I were you I would just stick with the test cyp or test e. I think you will be happy!

First 4 weeks at 100 mg's every other day.

"dirty d"

BUT I AGREE WITH TBONEY- YOU WILL YIELD FINE WITHOUT PROP FOR YOUR FIRST TIME BRO

sounds good...thanks guys

[JasonT]

Looks like this will be it....

Weeks 1-12: Test E @ 500mg/week (pinning mon/thur), .25mgs Adex/EOD, 500ius HCG (250 twice a week)
Week: 13-14: off
Week 15: Clomid 100 mgs/day, Nolva 40 mgs/day
Week 16: Clomid 50 mgs/day, Nolva 20 mgs/day
Week 17: Clomid 50 mgs/day, Nolva 20 mgs/day
Week 18: Clomid 50 mgs/day, Nolva 20 mgs/day
Week 19: off


For pins, 18 gauge to draw, 23 X 1.5" to stick (glutes)...sound ok?

[tboney]

That looks pretty solid. Week 18 I would go with 25mgs a day on the clomid.

[JasonT]

Another question...how much HCG would I need for the schedule posted above?

Do I need to take it for the whole cycle or only the last 4 weeks? How should I time it in relation with the test?

[Vitruvian-Man]

A little background about myself:

Age: 28
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 185lbs.
BF: ~10%

I've been lifting for 11 years, consistently for about 8 of those years. I'm an ectomorph and if I don't count my calories I will certainly under eat.


I've done a fair amount of research and feel that I'm ready to take things to the next level. I was initially planning on doing the typical test/dbol beginner cycle, but I've decided against the dbol because I don't want to gain weight too quickly and want to minimize bloat. Also, I want to avoid orals for this cycle if possible.


I was leaning towards eq for some of its qualities (appetite, strength, possible joint support, hardened look).


Thoughts/suggestions?

How could this possibly be your first cycle if you made this comment 5 mins ago:

http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...58&postcount=2

....

-VM

[JasonT]

How could this possibly be your first cycle if you made this comment 5 mins ago:

http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...58&postcount=2

....

-VM

Not sure if you posted the right link, but that's someone else

[Vitruvian-Man]

Not sure if you posted the right link, but that's someone else

ohhh god bro. LOL. i'm sorry. I'm so out of it today. hahahaha.

damn. my detective work there 100% failed hahah

[Vitruvian-Man]

Another question...how much HCG would I need for the schedule posted above?

Do I need to take it for the whole cycle or only the last 4 weeks? How should I time it in relation with the test?

I'll just answer this question since I feel bad now. loll.

You shouldn't neccessarily even need HCG for this type of cycle. Considering it's so light.

However, it might be good protocol to just use it for weeks 8 - 12 @ 500iu every 5th day... or 250iu every 3rd day.

Good luck

-VM

[Relax007]

How could this possibly be your first cycle if you made this comment 5 mins ago:

http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...58&postcount=2

....

-VM

That doesn't look like JasonT's post to me.

[JasonT]

I'll just answer this question since I feel bad now. loll.

You shouldn't neccessarily even need HCG for this type of cycle. Considering it's so light.

However, it might be good protocol to just use it for weeks 8 - 12 @ 500iu every 5th day... or 250iu every 3rd day.

Good luck

-VM

haha...no worries bro.


Hoping I won't need it, funds are low and other reasons I obviously can't discuss.

[Relax007]

How could this possibly be your first cycle if you made this comment 5 mins ago:

http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...58&postcount=2

....

-VM

That doesn't look like JasonT's post to me.

[JasonT]

Another quick question...I apologize if it's a dumb question...

For HCG, do you draw and inject with the same needle?