First Cycle Anavar Only

[Hatchet_Man]

Hey, so after plenty of research on this forum and others. I get alot of people telling me that anavar(ox) is the aas I would get the most from. I am looking to get hard, and as defined as possible, some muscle gain, not much.
My stats
5'8
180
18%bf
Athletic

Measures
chest 46 inch
shoulders 54 inch
bicep unflexed 14.5inch
anything you gys got, would go a long ways. My diet has changed significantly and is very healthy, balanced.

Any advice for experienced guys, good or bad, let me hear it? I realize its costly, not a problem.

thanks guys

[Relax007]

How old are you?

[Hatchet_Man]

Oh, I am 24.

[c-Z]

I would personally trim that bf% down a bit more.. 18% is rather high.....

[Hatchet_Man]

I am working at it.
But what is the opinion about anavar only cycle? Thats my question.
I wont be using it until I get my bf down to 14% or less.

[Western Man]

Any advice for experienced guys, good or bad, let me hear it? I realize its costly, not a problem.

thanks guys

Get full bloodwork done before, during and after cycle to make sure your cholesterol is good. Var will definately mess with your HDL and LDL

[AndriodLee]

after hanging around this website for a while i think I'd rather run a 12 week test cycle.

just take a look at some of the before and after photos of some of the guys here who have run a var only cycle.

In my opinion, I think the guys who run test have better muscle gains.

im not saying you are, but if your interested in anavar only for its fat burning qualities, your just wasting your money.

right now i'm running my ass off and dieting trying to get as lean as possible, because I'm interested in running some test.

you might wanna stick around this website a little bit longer before you go out and waste your money on a var only cycle.

[AstheticKing]

look into tbol, this sounds more like your AAS substance for this particular goal, test prop also hass alot less bloat especially when you use aromasin or arimidex or even a otc anti arom

anavar will cost you if you want to do a anavar only, its somthing good to add ad 50 mg area to a stack but alone you need 100ish mg and that can be expensive, tbol is cheap if you can find it and 20 mgs a day with test prop and youll only gain 20ish pounds in total wieght but youll also lose alot of fat if you work hard..........im like you just older as far as body type before AAS and goals

[Hatchet_Man]

I'm looking into var because I heard and read that it was easy on the liver for an oral. Also, that with a good diet and workout regime it will add decent strength gains and plenty of definition. I'm not looking to look watery/bloated or to have 20 inch biceps. Just good, hard defined muscles. I do 30 minutes of running per day @ 9mp/h, so the body fat is beginning to come off naturally. I dont plan on going on any AAS until my body fat is 14% or less.
So, TBol with arimidex would help achive my goals? what should i expect?
Thanks guys, any other adive or opinions are welcome.

[AstheticKing]

no , tbol woth testosterone propionate with an ai will kill bloat....and since test prop already has low bloat youll be a razor cut guy in no time, if you work of course....tbol is more "cutty" cheaper, mild on your liver and you caan take less. test should be used since your produtction of natural test even on anavar is slowed down and eventually halted if the cycle is over 3ish weeks....nothing a good pct can fix and bring your test levels back above what they were before the cycle............look into tbol for real its a greeat substance

[AstheticKing]

tbol by itself has no bloat no huge weight gain just huge strength gain and less than 20 pounds of dry muscle, test is usually wet but prob is only damp, your gains can be dry on prop

[Hatchet_Man]

tbol by itself has no bloat no huge weight gain just huge strength gain and less than 20 pounds of dry muscle, test is usually wet but prob is only damp, your gains can be dry on prop

So test prop, TBol and arimidex, is the cycle that will give me awesome cut defintion, hard muscle gain and no much water?
whats an ideal cycle and length and a good pct? I appreciate all the help from someone who has done it. what kind of results did you get?

[gymnerd]

Cutting is all about dieting not compounds. I would run moderate dose of test, run an ai right from the begining, and you could throw in some t3 or clen.

That would be way better than var IMO if your diet is up to scratch.

[Hatchet_Man]

Whats a good diet in your books, any help or input is appreciated.

[Hatchet_Man]

tbol by itself has no bloat no huge weight gain just huge strength gain and less than 20 pounds of dry muscle, test is usually wet but prob is only damp, your gains can be dry on prop

What gains can I expect to keep with a good pct and an intense work out?
Sorry for all the questions, but really need advice.

[G4R]

A 'healthy' diet and cutting diet are different. Have you checked out our diet section yet?

[dec11]

What gains can I expect to keep with a good pct and an intense work out?
Sorry for all the questions, but really need advice.

impossible to say depends on variables

[Hatchet_Man]

I checked out the diet section, got tons of awesome info and diet plans. Mine is good, not as intense (ie fish oil or flax seed oil dependent) I know a good diet leads to good definition and cutting. My stats are in the first post. I never really am able to get crazy cuts and defintion. thats what I am looking for.
lets say I have the right diet, and work out plan, what would you recommend to get nice cuts and some lean muscle build, nothing crazy and some strength gains?
I just want to look great. Not looking to be huge, staying at the 180 area replacing the bf with lean muscle and looking awesome.

thanks a million guys.

[AstheticKing]

well if your diets was good and workin moderate weight high reps you can get there easier, i would say go with test prop and tbol and or winny or anavar and test prop...any dht derived substance gives you the dry look, primo,winny etcetera

one of my first cycles a long time ago i had a goal like yours....it was 1,000 mgs of primo a week and 50mgs of winny with 300 test e a week.....cycle was one of my first and now ..wow...over a decade ago, if you replace the test e with test prop youll look even more razor

[AstheticKing]

but you need to research pct first and get your diet in check, cuz youll look like boo boo eventually if you dont

[Hatchet_Man]

Alright, I am gonna go with test prop and Tbol. Thanks Asthetic King for all the help. You understand the look I am trying to achieve.

Cycle
Test Prop-125mg EOD for 8 weeks
T/bol-60mg ED for 6 weeks

PCT plan
PCT
wk 1, 100 mg clomid, 40 mg Nolva
wk 2, 50 mg clomid, 40 mg Nolva
wk 3, 50 mg clomid, 20 mg Nolva
wk 4, 50 mg clomid, 20 mg Nolva

Workout plan
Day One
Chest and Biceps

Incline Bench 3 sets x 10 sets
Seated Dumb BellCurls 3 rsets x 12 reps
Flat Bench 3 sets x 10 reps
Preacher Curls 3 sets x 10 reps
Decline Bench 3 sets x 10 reps
Standing barbell curls 3 Sets x 10 reps
Pec Dec(Butterfly) 3 sets x 10 reps
30 minute medium intensity cardio.

Day Two
Legs and Abs(do abs 2 times a week)
Squats 3 sets x 8 Reps
Leg Press 3 sets x 8 Reps
Hamstring Curls 3 sets x 10 reps
Leg Extensions 3 sets x 12 reps
Calf Raises 3 sets x 10 Reps
Front Crunches – 30 Seconds(ABs)
Right/Left side Crunches – 30 Seconds each(Abs)
Flat Plank – 30 Seconds(Abs)
Right/Left Plank – 30 Seconds each(Abs)

Day Three
Back and Triceps
Lat Pulldowns 3 sets x 10 reps
Over head Extensions 3 Sets x 10 Reps
One arm dumbbell rows 3 sets x 12 reps
Seated Rows 3 Sets x 12 reps
Dumb bell KickBacks 3 sets x 12 reps
Bent Over Dumbell rows 3 sets x 10 reps
Reverse tricep cable pulldowns 3 sets x 10 reps
30 minutes medium intensity cardio

Day 4
Shoulders/Traps
Bent Over Dumbell raises 3 sets x 10 reps
Dumbell shrugs 3 Sets x 12 reps
Upright barbell rows 3 Sets x 10 Reps
Shoulder Press 3 Sets x 10 Reps
Bent over dumbbell lateral raises 3 Sets x 12 Reps
Frontal dumbbell raises 3 sets x 12 Reps
30 minutes of medium cardio

Day Five
60 minutes of medium cardio

Then 1 day rest then add a set and move up weight if possible.

Diet
7am:
2scoops whey isolate
1/2c oats
55/3/29/242


9:00 am
6 egg whites
2 whole eggs
1 c oatmeal
3 omeaga 3 6 9 caps
45/14/54/570

11:30
1 can of tuna
1/2 c oatmeal
55/3/29/278


1:30pm
6oz chicken
med. sweet pat.
1 c green beans
3 omega caps
50.8/7/31.3/481


4:00
6oz chicken
1 tbs nat pnb
51.5/11/3/350


6:00
6oz chicken
1 c green beans
3 omega caps
49.5/7.5/7.5/345

WORK OUT 7-8PM

9:00
2 scoops casin
1tbs nat pnb
49.5/11/7/330

I found this workout in the diets section, tweaked it a bit. What do you guys think of my entire plan?

[bobofet]

I think the tbol dose might be a little high, prob get away with 20-40mg ed

[Hatchet_Man]

so do 40mg ed, split 20/20.
Anyone else, please critique!

[AstheticKing]

40mg split 20-20 is good, the look you are going for is very easy to get with this cycle if you follow your own good diet and good workout routine, good job doing your research, be safe and keep an open mind...good cycle,glad i can help you get more results with less money spent and be safer imho, dont forget about the optional anti arom but at that dose of test is not neccesary just for more razor definition but youll have alot anyway so just be sure to keep us posted on progres/results if you want to

[AstheticKing]

o yeah try to time your workout to be an hour or so after a tbol dosage on the days you inject the prop......youll see

[Hatchet_Man]

Thanks! did you have any hair loss on the test? I will add arimidex in just to be safe. I am excited to start, once I get my bf% down of course. I will keep a blog with before, weekly progress and after pics.I cant wait to get all cut up and hard!

[Relax007]

I'm looking for a lean bulk. Do you think test e and var would be good for that?

[Hatchet_Man]

Thats and great cuts is what I was looking for. It var came to mind first, but t ball and and prop willl get you there. AstheticKing has great advice. A friend of mine is using test susp and var. I will tell you results when he starts.

[Relax007]

Prop has to many injections for me. I need something that has long esters. Tbol is TrenA right? Also, I think Aromasin is better than adex. You might want to look into that.

[AndriodLee]

I still think you should drop your body fat first

[AstheticKing]

Thanks! did you have any hair loss on the test? I will add arimidex in just to be safe. I am excited to start, once I get my bf% down of course. I will keep a blog with before, weekly progress and after pics.I cant wait to get all cut up and hard!

i dont believe you will have hairloss especially with test and tbol, with var there is more chance cuz its more of a dht derived oral so yeh that can,,, but any androgenic can(plausibly), basically that genetic trait of male pattern baldness is carried by your mothers side so if the males on your mothers side have full heads of hair into thier late 30s and 40s youll be fine.....i have a full head of hair but on tren everytime it recededs a little then rebounds a little back,,,,dht can make you lose but you have to be genitically inclined for it to all fall out

[AstheticKing]

Prop has to many injections for me. I need something that has long esters. Tbol is TrenA right? Also, I think Aromasin is better than adex. You might want to look into that.

umm no tren is not tbol , lol tbol is sorta like dbol without the bloat tbol is chlorodehydromethyltestosterone tren is a different substance.....arom and adex are the same as far as effictiveness imo for non fulll time athletes or non-bodybuilders.

the problem with your goal and using a long ester test is that long ester test cause alot of bloat, you can however cut down on the watery look with winstrol if you want to use a long ester test, var is not strong enough to do that unless you used 100mgs a day and even then you would be less benifited from that as far as your goals are concerned, if its strength AND vascularity you want var is good, tbol is better, tren is best,masteron is the fastest, primo keeps the most gains if you find real primo,and winny will give you alot of vascularity and some strength, the reason i did not suggest tren is tren should only be used by very experienced guys because the sides are more, and your always hungry and tren can actually make you lose weight if your not eating like 4 grams of protien per lb of BW.....do your research bro youll see what im tellin you is right, and if you google turanibol steriod.com has a profile on it..

[jordann]

For the diet, include carbs in the meal prior to weight training. It'll give you good sustained energy. Also, throw in some simple carbohydrates and proteins in after your workout. Eg: 30g dextrose/30g maltodextrin & 30g isolate protein. Carbs are essential after a workout to help replenish glycogen stores.

[Hatchet_Man]

I still think you should drop your body fat first

Yea man, I said it a few times. I wont be using anything until my bodyfat is down to at least 14%, gonna shoot for 12.

[Hatchet_Man]

Thanks for the diet help Jordann, if you think of anything else just post it. And again, thanks AstheticKing. But shitty for me, Male baldness runs in the family, and I am losing it already. lol The gf just wants me to try an keep it until theres a wedding. I have no plans on getting married, soooo it has to hold on.
Thanks again guys.

[Relax007]

umm no tren is not tbol , lol tbol is sorta like dbol without the bloat tbol is chlorodehydromethyltestosterone tren is a different substance.....arom and adex are the same as far as effictiveness imo for non fulll time athletes or non-bodybuilders.

the problem with your goal and using a long ester test is that long ester test cause alot of bloat, you can however cut down on the watery look with winstrol if you want to use a long ester test, var is not strong enough to do that unless you used 100mgs a day and even then you would be less benifited from that as far as your goals are concerned, if its strength AND vascularity you want var is good, tbol is better, tren is best,masteron is the fastest, primo keeps the most gains if you find real primo,and winny will give you alot of vascularity and some strength, the reason i did not suggest tren is tren should only be used by very experienced guys because the sides are more, and your always hungry and tren can actually make you lose weight if your not eating like 4 grams of protien per lb of BW.....do your research bro youll see what im tellin you is right, and if you google turanibol steriod.com has a profile on it..

I was thinking, 30mg/day dbol (4 weeks), 500mg/week test e, and 50mg/day var (4 weeks) for a lean bulk. If I changed tbol for dbol would I have the same outcome? Also, do you think I need to go with more var for longer if I did do it this way?

[AndriodLee]

Yea man, I said it a few times. I wont be using anything until my bodyfat is down to at least 14%, gonna shoot for 12.

good to go then bro... I didn't notice.

[Relax007]

bump

[Hatchet_Man]

Started the cycle, I got 125mg Test eod, 40 mg of tbol ed, and gonna use 40 mg ed of winny in the last 4 weeks. so for so good.

[azz10]

looks like a decent cycle. good luck with it Hatch! let us know how u go bro.